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Posted by Sir Frederick on August 21, 2008, 2:27 pm
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>> A central concept in science and the scientific method is that all
>> evidence must be empirical, or empirically based, that is, dependent
>> on evidence or consequences that are observable by the senses.
>> Empirical data are data that are produced by experiment or
>> observation.
>>
>> "Empirical" as an adjective or adverb is used in conjunction with both
>> the natural and social sciences, and refers to the use of working
>> hypotheses that are testable using observation or experiment. In this
>> sense of the word, scientific statements are subject to and derived
>> from our experiences or observations.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empirical
>>
>> 1. Suppose, that there are basic empirical beliefs, that is, emperical
>> beliefs (a) which are epistemically justified, and (b) whose
>> justification does not depend on that of any further emperical
>> beliefs.
>>
>> 2. For a belief to be episemically justified requires that there be a
>> reason why it is likely to be true.
>>
>> 3. A belief is justified for a person only if he is in cognitive
>> possession of such a reason.
>>
>> 4. A person is in cognitive possession of such a reason only if he
>> believes with justification the premises from which it follows that
>> the belief is likely to be true.
>>
>> 5. The premises of such a justifying argument must include at least
>> one empirical premise.
>>
>> 6. So, the justification of a supposed basic empirical belief depends
>> on the justification of at least one other empirical belief,
>> contradicting 1.
>>
>> 7. So, there can be no basic empirical beliefs.
>>
>> This seems to eliminate the possibility of emperical justification of
>> any and all emperical beliefs. But it can lead to this untruthfullness
>> of human beliefs in three ways which deal with the apparent "regress"
>> of one belief depending upon another which depends upon another and so
>> on:
>>
>> If the regress of emperical justification does not terminate in basic
>> emperical beliefs, then it must either:
>>
>> (1) terminate in unjustified beleifs
>>
>> (2) go on infinitely (without circularity)
>>
>> (3) circle back upon itself in some way.
>
>The argument goes astray with #4. If I perceive a red apple, then I believe
>the apple perceived is red. That belief is not a conclusion derived from
>any premises, but from the percept itself. Empirical beliefs are self-
>justifying; I cannot doubt that I am perceiving something red in the shape
>of an apple. I may well have doubts about what causes that percept, but I
>cannot doubt that I have it. What may be causing it is another question.

What if you know you have a brain tumor that is causing you to
perceive things as red, though you "believe" them to be green?

Posted by Publius on August 21, 2008, 2:40 pm
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>>The argument goes astray with #4. If I perceive a red apple, then I
>>believe the apple perceived is red. That belief is not a conclusion
>>derived from any premises, but from the percept itself. Empirical
>>beliefs are self- justifying; I cannot doubt that I am perceiving
>>something red in the shape of an apple. I may well have doubts about
>>what causes that percept, but I cannot doubt that I have it. What may
>>be causing it is another question.

> What if you know you have a brain tumor that is causing you to
> perceive things as red, though you "believe" them to be green?

I still cannot doubt that I am perceiving a red apple. Believing I am now
perceiving red, and also that what I now I perceive as red might appear as
green in other circumstances, are two different beliefs.

Both are empirical beliefs, however --- the second resting on my memory of
previous percepts.


Posted by nada on August 21, 2008, 3:19 pm
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