Hobby Electronics Basics Controlling 12V from 5V

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Controlling 12V from 5V Buddy Smith 06-29-05
Posted by ehsjr on June 30, 2005, 7:14 am
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Buddy Smith wrote:
>
>
>>---
>>MOSFET flavors don't include NPN and PNP. :-)
>
>
>>Also, don't forget the damper diode across the coil...
>
>
>
> err Power MOSFETs I mean :)
>
> I have TIP120s.
>
> I'm really glad i'm not posting this with my IEEE email address...I'd
> get banned for life :)
>
> --buddy

The diagram below assumes that your door lock is
wired such that the +12V is switched. Also, it
is designed so that you don't have to break
the existing doorlock wiring - just tap into it at
one point.


+-----DoorLock-------Gnd
|
+-------|<--------+--Gnd
| D1 1N4002 |
| /
| \ R2
| / 10K
| \
e \ R1 |
Q1 |----/\/\/\-----+
TIP120 c / 470 |
| |
| |
+12------------+ |
|
+5 from micro--------------------+

If your micro can source > 25 mA, change R1 to 220 ohms.

Ed

Posted by Ban on June 30, 2005, 11:24 am
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ehsjr wrote:
> Buddy Smith wrote:
>>
>>
>>> ---
>>> MOSFET flavors don't include NPN and PNP. :-)
>>
>>
>>> Also, don't forget the damper diode across the coil...
>>
>>
>>
>> err Power MOSFETs I mean :)
>>
>> I have TIP120s.
>>
>> I'm really glad i'm not posting this with my IEEE email address...I'd
>> get banned for life :)
>>
>> --buddy
>
> The diagram below assumes that your door lock is
> wired such that the +12V is switched. Also, it
> is designed so that you don't have to break
> the existing doorlock wiring - just tap into it at
> one point.
>
>
> +-----DoorLock-------Gnd
> |
> +-------|<--------+--Gnd
> | D1 1N4002 |
> | /
> | \ R2
> | / 10K
> | \
> e \ R1 |
> Q1 |----/\/\/\-----+
> TIP120 c / 470 |
> | |
> | |
> +12------------+ |
> |
> +5 from micro--------------------+
>
> If your micro can source > 25 mA, change R1 to 220 ohms.
>
> Ed

But the TIP120 is an NPN transistor, which will need almost +14V on the base
to switch on +12V. Maybe you can use a TIP125, but with the emitter at
+12V_in, or you switch with the TIP120 in the gnd-leg of that solenoid,
which would be easier.
--
ciao Ban
Bordighera, Italy



Posted by ehsjr on June 30, 2005, 5:36 pm
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Ban wrote:
> ehsjr wrote:
>
>>Buddy Smith wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>---
>>>>MOSFET flavors don't include NPN and PNP. :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>>Also, don't forget the damper diode across the coil...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>err Power MOSFETs I mean :)
>>>
>>>I have TIP120s.
>>>
>>>I'm really glad i'm not posting this with my IEEE email address...I'd
>>>get banned for life :)
>>>
>>>--buddy
>>
>>The diagram below assumes that your door lock is
>>wired such that the +12V is switched. Also, it
>>is designed so that you don't have to break
>>the existing doorlock wiring - just tap into it at
>>one point.
>>
>>
>> +-----DoorLock-------Gnd
>> |
>> +-------|<--------+--Gnd
>> | D1 1N4002 |
>> | /
>> | \ R2
>> | / 10K
>> | \
>> e \ R1 |
>> Q1 |----/\/\/\-----+
>> TIP120 c / 470 |
>> | |
>> | |
>>+12------------+ |
>> |
>>+5 from micro--------------------+
>>
>>If your micro can source > 25 mA, change R1 to 220 ohms.
>>
>>Ed
>
>
> But the TIP120 is an NPN transistor, which will need almost +14V on the base
> to switch on +12V. Maybe you can use a TIP125, but with the emitter at
> +12V_in, or you switch with the TIP120 in the gnd-leg of that solenoid,
> which would be easier.

Hi Ban,

The TIP120 will turn on *way* lower than that. The emitter
is not at +12 - there's about 60 ohms between it and ground,
through the door lock. So you need only about two diode
drops to get it to start conducting.

But see the correction I was posting even as you were
posting your question. I totally mangled the original
diagram. I cut-and-pasted myself into oblivion when
I drew it, and ended up leaving out most of it.
I hate it when that happens! :,;

Ed


Ed

Posted by ehsjr on June 30, 2005, 11:29 am
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ehsjr wrote:
> Buddy Smith wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>> ---
>>> MOSFET flavors don't include NPN and PNP. :-)
>>
>>
>>
>>> Also, don't forget the damper diode across the coil...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> err Power MOSFETs I mean :)
>>
>> I have TIP120s.
>>
>> I'm really glad i'm not posting this with my IEEE email address...I'd
>> get banned for life :)
>>
>> --buddy
>
>
> The diagram below assumes that your door lock is
> wired such that the +12V is switched. Also, it
> is designed so that you don't have to break
> the existing doorlock wiring - just tap into it at
> one point.
>
>
> +-----DoorLock-------Gnd
> |
> +-------|<--------+--Gnd
> | D1 1N4002 |
> | /
> | \ R2
> | / 10K
> | \
> e \ R1 |
> Q1 |----/\/\/\-----+
> TIP120 c / 470 |
> | |
> | |
> +12------------+ |
> |
> +5 from micro--------------------+
>
> If your micro can source > 25 mA, change R1 to 220 ohms.
>
> Ed

Errrp! I managed to screw that up, royally.
A large part (inverter & converter) is missing from
the first diagram, and the second diagram isn't there
at all. Hopefully, I'll get it right this time:


The diagram below assumes that your door lock is
wired such that the +12V is switched. Also, it
is designed so that you don't have to break
the existing doorlock wiring - just tap into it at
one point.


+-----DoorLock-------Gnd
|
+-------|<--------+--Gnd
| D1 1N4002 |
| /
| \ R2
| / 10K
| \
e \ R1 |
Q1 |-----/\/\/-----+
TIP120 c / 470 |
| |
| Q2 2N3906 |
+12------------+-----e c-----+
| \___/
| R3 | R4 Q3 2N3904
+--/\/\/-+---/\/\/--c e------+-Gnd
10K 470 \___/ |
R5 | R6 |
+5 from micro----------/\/\/----------+--/\/\/--+
3.3K 33K



The diagram below assumes that your door lock is
wired such that the Gnd is switched.


+-----DoorLock-------+12
|
+------->|--------+--+12
| D1 1N4002 |
| /
| \ R2
| / 10K
| \
c \ R1 |
Q1 |----/\/\/\-----+
TIP120 e / 470 |
| |
| |
Gnd------------+ |
|
+5 from micro--------------------+

If your micro can source > 25 mA, change R1 to 220 ohms.

Ed



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