Hobby Electronics Basics Complaint with Gateway Electronics, Chaney Electronics, and Electronic Goldmine

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Complaint with Gateway Electronics, Chaney Electronics, and Electronic Goldmine Stevo 12-12-06
Posted by Stevo on December 12, 2006, 11:12 am
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A while back I purchased an electronic kit from Gateway Electronics.
The kit was a Chaney C4530 3 CHANNEL COLOR ORGAN KIT. Electronics
Goldmine is Chaney Electronics retail outlet for consumers. The kit
came with a transformer with a broken lead. First I went back to
Gateway to get the transformer replaced and they only offered to sell
me another kit. Then I went to Chaney Electronics and I was told that
they only deal with schools, etc and that I should send an email. The
email is still unanswered. Then I contacted Electronics Goldmine which
is connected with Chaney Electronics and they told me they would
replace the transformer for $5.00. But Electronic Goldmine's minimum
order is $10.00 PLUS shipping, I was told. They would not give me any
other information about the transformer, as well. All this for a cheap
little transformer. Well, I guess I will save my money and throw the
whole kit out. I hope I will save someone the aggravation I just went
through by getting a heads up on these companies customer service
practices.


Posted by Homer J Simpson on December 12, 2006, 9:50 pm
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> Well, I guess I will save my money and throw the
> whole kit out. I hope I will save someone the aggravation I just went
> through by getting a heads up on these companies customer service
> practices.

Try R P Electronics -- or Radio Shack.




Posted by on December 13, 2006, 4:15 am
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When i ws building color organs, radio shack sold a small transformer
that was 8ohm primary and 1k ohm secondary. The transformer only cost
like $3. try them. this is what the kits i used to buy used.


http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?pg=2&parentPage=family&summary=summary&techSpecs=techSpecs&currentTab=techSpecs&cp=2032058.2032230.2032277&custRatings=custRatings&features=features&accessories=accessories&productId=2103254&support=support&tab=features


Good Luck -- Eric


Posted by Chris on December 13, 2006, 11:32 am
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Stevo wrote:
> A while back I purchased an electronic kit from Gateway Electronics.
> The kit was a Chaney C4530 3 CHANNEL COLOR ORGAN KIT. Electronics
> Goldmine is Chaney Electronics retail outlet for consumers. The kit
> came with a transformer with a broken lead. First I went back to
> Gateway to get the transformer replaced and they only offered to sell
> me another kit. Then I went to Chaney Electronics and I was told that
> they only deal with schools, etc and that I should send an email. The
> email is still unanswered. Then I contacted Electronics Goldmine which
> is connected with Chaney Electronics and they told me they would
> replace the transformer for $5.00. But Electronic Goldmine's minimum
> order is $10.00 PLUS shipping, I was told. They would not give me any
> other information about the transformer, as well. All this for a cheap
> little transformer. Well, I guess I will save my money and throw the
> whole kit out. I hope I will save someone the aggravation I just went
> through by getting a heads up on these companies customer service
> practices.

Hi, Stevo. Sorry for your troubles. There are a number of suppliers
of electronics kits, and you always pay for what you get (although, as
you can see, you don't always get what you pay for).

The distributor (Electronic Goldmine) usually has good customer
service. I've dealt with them before. However, they're in a bit of a
bind with this, because they actually don't make the kits. I think
their solution isn't that unreasonable. Offering to break open another
kit and send a replacement for $5 isn't too bad. They're trying.

You might want to find out the primary and secondary voltage and the
secondary current rating on the transformer. See if you can scrounge a
replacement from your junkbox (same or close AC secondary voltage at
same or greater secondary current). You also might want to look at the
circuit, and just plug in a DC wall wart in place of the transformer.
There will be one or two diode drops for the rectifier, but otherwise
it will work fine. If you could provide more information on the
transformer and rectifier, the group might be able to help there.

Low end kits tend to be cobbled together from surplus or seconds, and
you'll sometimes just get a plain old busted part. It's kind of
assumed that they got you most of the way there, and that's good
enough. If I was doing this with one of my kids, it would be. Of
course, for a newbie or someone who doesn't scrounge parts (I've got a
carboard box of transformers and one of wall warts in the basement) 95%
of the trip isn't far enough, and for some, it might be worse than zero
percent (a waste of time).

If you want a "perfect" kit experience, you'll usually have to pay
more. I've found that the Velleman kits are the closest to a "perfect"
experience -- all parts always there, 1st quality circuit boards and
components throughout, good documentation for newbies. They cost more,
but they're worth it. I remember getting an old Heathkit AM radio kit
back when dinosaurs ruled the earth. It was a real step forward for
me. Everything was there, and the kit included a good description of
the circuit as well as easy-to-understand instructions. A great newbie
experience. I still keep a Xeroxed copy of their soldering
instructions.

Possibly you could try again with another kit manufacturer. Take a
look at Velleman. Their kits are always first rate. Remember they're
primarily a European manufacturer, and some of their line
voltage-powered projects are only available in 240VAC.

http://www.velleman.de/country.php

Good luck
Chris


Posted by notbob on December 13, 2006, 11:55 am
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> bind with this, because they actually don't make the kits. I think
> their solution isn't that unreasonable. Offering to break open another
> kit and send a replacement for $5 isn't too bad. They're trying.

Poppycock! The customer paid money in good faith and should receive
goods and services in same. To receive broken goods and then have to
pay more is ludicrous. If the vendor can't or won't absorb the loss
due to acts of god or shoddy merchandise, they shouldn't be in
business. At the very least, the customer should receive a full
unconditional refund.

nb

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