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1N2071 diode speed mrdarrett 07-08-08
Posted by on July 8, 2008, 2:09 am
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I found four 1N2071 diodes in my junk pile. Apparently the 1N2071 is
an obsolete diode - Mouser doesn't carry it anymore.

I looked up the datasheet for the 1N2071. It seems designed to
operate at 60 Hz, but didn't find any info on the maximum speed for
how quickly the diode can operate.

http://www.alldatasheet.com/datasheet-pdf/pdf/102157/IRF/1N2071.html

Can the diode successfully operate at up to 10 kHz? I have a sinking
feeling the answer is "no".

So, how quickly CAN the diodes reliably switch? 100 Hz? 400 Hz?

Any ideas?

Thanks,

Michael

Posted by John Popelish on July 8, 2008, 2:40 am
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mrdarrett@gmail.com wrote:
> I found four 1N2071 diodes in my junk pile. Apparently the 1N2071 is
> an obsolete diode - Mouser doesn't carry it anymore.
>
> I looked up the datasheet for the 1N2071. It seems designed to
> operate at 60 Hz, but didn't find any info on the maximum speed for
> how quickly the diode can operate.
>
> http://www.alldatasheet.com/datasheet-pdf/pdf/102157/IRF/1N2071.html
>
> Can the diode successfully operate at up to 10 kHz? I have a sinking
> feeling the answer is "no".
>
> So, how quickly CAN the diodes reliably switch? 100 Hz? 400 Hz?
>
> Any ideas?

Since the data sheet specifies no reverse recovery time, it
is going to be pretty slow, probably up to several
microseconds, depending on how high the forward current is
just before the voltage reverses.

You could set up a test and measure it under some particular
condition. Often, the reverse recovery time is measured
right after the diode has been conducting something like its
rated forward current, with the reverse current limited to
somewhere between double that current to perhaps half it and
a specified rate of change of current as it swings from
forward to reverse. And the time it takes for the reverse
current to fall to something like 1/4 or 1/10th of the peak
value is measured. It doesn't take a very complicated test
setup to do this.

See explanation of reverse recovery specs:
http://www.microsemi.com/micnotes/302.pdf
MIL-STD-750, Method 4031 for testing reverse recovery
starting at page 100 of:
http://snebulos.mit.edu/projects/reference/MIL-STD/MIL-STD-750D-Notice2.pdf

There was a time when the test setup was shown on every fast
recovery diode data sheet.

--
Regards,

John Popelish

Posted by on July 8, 2008, 11:09 pm
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> mrdarr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > I found four 1N2071 diodes in my junk pile. Apparently the 1N2071 is
> > an obsolete diode - Mouser doesn't carry it anymore.
>
> > I looked up the datasheet for the 1N2071. It seems designed to
> > operate at 60 Hz, but didn't find any info on the maximum speed for
> > how quickly the diode can operate.
>
> >http://www.alldatasheet.com/datasheet-pdf/pdf/102157/IRF/1N2071.html
>
> > Can the diode successfully operate at up to 10 kHz? I have a sinking
> > feeling the answer is "no".
>
> > So, how quickly CAN the diodes reliably switch? 100 Hz? 400 Hz?
>
> > Any ideas?
>
> Since the data sheet specifies no reverse recovery time, it
> is going to be pretty slow, probably up to several
> microseconds, depending on how high the forward current is
> just before the voltage reverses.
>
> You could set up a test and measure it under some particular
> condition. Often, the reverse recovery time is measured
> right after the diode has been conducting something like its
> rated forward current, with the reverse current limited to
> somewhere between double that current to perhaps half it and
> a specified rate of change of current as it swings from
> forward to reverse. And the time it takes for the reverse
> current to fall to something like 1/4 or 1/10th of the peak
> value is measured. It doesn't take a very complicated test
> setup to do this.
>
> See explanation of reverse recovery
specs:http://www.microsemi.com/micnotes/302.pdf
> MIL-STD-750, Method 4031 for testing reverse recovery
> starting at page 100
of:http://snebulos.mit.edu/projects/reference/MIL-STD/MIL-STD-750D-Notic...
>
> There was a time when the test setup was shown on every fast
> recovery diode data sheet.
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> John Popelish


Ok, thanks!

Michael

Posted by Eeyore on July 8, 2008, 8:48 am
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mrdarrett@gmail.com wrote:

> I found four 1N2071 diodes in my junk pile. Apparently the 1N2071 is
> an obsolete diode - Mouser doesn't carry it anymore.
>
> I looked up the datasheet for the 1N2071. It seems designed to
> operate at 60 Hz, but didn't find any info on the maximum speed for
> how quickly the diode can operate.
>
> http://www.alldatasheet.com/datasheet-pdf/pdf/102157/IRF/1N2071.html
>
> Can the diode successfully operate at up to 10 kHz? I have a sinking
> feeling the answer is "no".
>
> So, how quickly CAN the diodes reliably switch? 100 Hz? 400 Hz?

Any diode designed for AC line power switching is probably good for
400Hz but don't bet on anything much above that.

What fun I've had with Chinese outfits fitting 1N4004s where I'd
specified UF4004s ! I imagine the remedy is not to use a part with the
number 4004 in it lest they try and get clever and specify a BYxx
something or other.

Graham


Posted by Michael Black on July 8, 2008, 11:25 am
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On Mon, 7 Jul 2008, mrdarrett@gmail.com wrote:

> I found four 1N2071 diodes in my junk pile. Apparently the 1N2071 is
> an obsolete diode - Mouser doesn't carry it anymore.
>
> I looked up the datasheet for the 1N2071. It seems designed to
> operate at 60 Hz, but didn't find any info on the maximum speed for
> how quickly the diode can operate.
>
> http://www.alldatasheet.com/datasheet-pdf/pdf/102157/IRF/1N2071.html
>
> Can the diode successfully operate at up to 10 kHz? I have a sinking
> feeling the answer is "no".
>
> So, how quickly CAN the diodes reliably switch? 100 Hz? 400 Hz?
>

What are you trying to do? You say "switch" which implies some sort
of logic or switching supply, but it's not completely obvious. What
you need a diode for helps to determine what will be suitable.

Since you're pulling things out of the junkbox, why not find a junk
computer, open up the power supply, and use the schottky power diodes
on the secondary for this project? They are readily available, and
since they are in switching supplies, they will be good at higher
frequencies.

Michael

> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Michael
>

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