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progress in operating systems John Larkin 09-25-07
Posted by Joerg on September 26, 2007, 11:43 am
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Nobody wrote:

> On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 01:13:42 +0000, Joerg wrote:
>
>
>>Yes, I guess that $350 for the PC is a subsidized price, like some
>>Internet providers where you must accept nag screens and ads.
>
>
> Some are still doing that? Have they figured out yet that HTTP
> isn't just about web pages, or do they still try to replace XML-RPC
> streams with ads?
>

Don't know. My browser snips all that. You can see it trying to flare up
and then die. But I've seen mail printouts from folks who fell for deals
like Yahoo etc. Thoroughly cluttered with nags. They don't even realize
how quickly some of that can drain their expensive inkjet cartridges.

>
>>I'm wondering whether I can cram both my 3-1/2 and 5-1/4 drives in there
>>or have to copy all the legacy files. That would not be cool if I had to.
>
>
> You still have a 5-1/4" drive? I didn't even bother with a 3-1/2"
> drive with my last PC ~2 years ago, and the one before that had its
> 3-1/2" drive removed ~4-5 years ago to free the last bay for another HDD.
>

I do get the occasional 5-1/4" to look at since I design fast
analog/mixed stuff. A few months ago it was wave digital filter routines
from the days when people still drove around in souped-up Plymouth
Furys. Luckily it wasn't on an 8" floppy.


> Actually, I doubt that there's still a floppy in the house. When I ditched
> the the P-120, the driver disks (3com 3c509B, Diamond Stealth 32) went
> with it. Given the green tinge and slimy feel, they probably weren't
> readable, anyhow.
>
> Although, I *do* still have a few rolls of punched tape, containing
> the first BASIC programs I wrote.
>

I migrated my stack of punch cards from my first Fortran program to the
recycler. Didn't see a point in moving it across the ocean where you pay
several Dollars of freight charges per pound.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com

Posted by ChairmanOfTheBored on September 26, 2007, 7:04 pm
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On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:43:18 -0700, Joerg

>Nobody wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 01:13:42 +0000, Joerg wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Yes, I guess that $350 for the PC is a subsidized price, like some
>>>Internet providers where you must accept nag screens and ads.
>>
>>
>> Some are still doing that? Have they figured out yet that HTTP
>> isn't just about web pages, or do they still try to replace XML-RPC
>> streams with ads?
>>
>
>Don't know. My browser snips all that. You can see it trying to flare up
>and then die. But I've seen mail printouts from folks who fell for deals
>like Yahoo etc. Thoroughly cluttered with nags. They don't even realize
>how quickly some of that can drain their expensive inkjet cartridges.
>
>>
>>>I'm wondering whether I can cram both my 3-1/2 and 5-1/4 drives in there
>>>or have to copy all the legacy files. That would not be cool if I had to.
>>
>>
>> You still have a 5-1/4" drive? I didn't even bother with a 3-1/2"
>> drive with my last PC ~2 years ago, and the one before that had its
>> 3-1/2" drive removed ~4-5 years ago to free the last bay for another HDD.
>>
>
>I do get the occasional 5-1/4" to look at since I design fast
>analog/mixed stuff. A few months ago it was wave digital filter routines
>from the days when people still drove around in souped-up Plymouth
>Furys. Luckily it wasn't on an 8" floppy.
>
>
>> Actually, I doubt that there's still a floppy in the house. When I ditched
>> the the P-120, the driver disks (3com 3c509B, Diamond Stealth 32) went
>> with it. Given the green tinge and slimy feel, they probably weren't
>> readable, anyhow.
>>
>> Although, I *do* still have a few rolls of punched tape, containing
>> the first BASIC programs I wrote.
>>
>
>I migrated my stack of punch cards from my first Fortran program to the
>recycler. Didn't see a point in moving it across the ocean where you pay
>several Dollars of freight charges per pound.


That's what micro-fiche is for. You could have taken shots of 100
cards at a time, and transcribed them later from a single 1 ounce stack
of films.

Posted by Joerg on September 26, 2007, 7:20 pm
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ChairmanOfTheBored wrote:

> On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:43:18 -0700, Joerg
>
>
>>Nobody wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 01:13:42 +0000, Joerg wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Yes, I guess that $350 for the PC is a subsidized price, like some
>>>>Internet providers where you must accept nag screens and ads.
>>>
>>>
>>>Some are still doing that? Have they figured out yet that HTTP
>>>isn't just about web pages, or do they still try to replace XML-RPC
>>>streams with ads?
>>>
>>
>>Don't know. My browser snips all that. You can see it trying to flare up
>>and then die. But I've seen mail printouts from folks who fell for deals
>>like Yahoo etc. Thoroughly cluttered with nags. They don't even realize
>>how quickly some of that can drain their expensive inkjet cartridges.
>>
>>
>>>>I'm wondering whether I can cram both my 3-1/2 and 5-1/4 drives in there
>>>>or have to copy all the legacy files. That would not be cool if I had to.
>>>
>>>
>>>You still have a 5-1/4" drive? I didn't even bother with a 3-1/2"
>>>drive with my last PC ~2 years ago, and the one before that had its
>>>3-1/2" drive removed ~4-5 years ago to free the last bay for another HDD.
>>>
>>
>>I do get the occasional 5-1/4" to look at since I design fast
>>analog/mixed stuff. A few months ago it was wave digital filter routines
>
>>from the days when people still drove around in souped-up Plymouth
>
>>Furys. Luckily it wasn't on an 8" floppy.
>>
>>
>>
>>>Actually, I doubt that there's still a floppy in the house. When I ditched
>>>the the P-120, the driver disks (3com 3c509B, Diamond Stealth 32) went
>>>with it. Given the green tinge and slimy feel, they probably weren't
>>>readable, anyhow.
>>>
>>>Although, I *do* still have a few rolls of punched tape, containing
>>>the first BASIC programs I wrote.
>>>
>>
>>I migrated my stack of punch cards from my first Fortran program to the
>>recycler. Didn't see a point in moving it across the ocean where you pay
>>several Dollars of freight charges per pound.
>
>
>
> That's what micro-fiche is for. You could have taken shots of 100
> cards at a time, and transcribed them later from a single 1 ounce stack
> of films.


Sure, but what for?

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com

Posted by Spehro Pefhany on September 26, 2007, 11:54 am
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>On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 01:13:42 +0000, Joerg wrote:
>
>> Yes, I guess that $350 for the PC is a subsidized price, like some
>> Internet providers where you must accept nag screens and ads.
>
>Some are still doing that? Have they figured out yet that HTTP
>isn't just about web pages, or do they still try to replace XML-RPC
>streams with ads?
>
>> I'm wondering whether I can cram both my 3-1/2 and 5-1/4 drives in there
>> or have to copy all the legacy files. That would not be cool if I had to.
>
>You still have a 5-1/4" drive? I didn't even bother with a 3-1/2"
>drive with my last PC ~2 years ago, and the one before that had its
>3-1/2" drive removed ~4-5 years ago to free the last bay for another HDD.
>
>Actually, I doubt that there's still a floppy in the house. When I ditched
>the the P-120, the driver disks (3com 3c509B, Diamond Stealth 32) went
>with it. Given the green tinge and slimy feel, they probably weren't
>readable, anyhow.
>
>Although, I *do* still have a few rolls of punched tape, containing
>the first BASIC programs I wrote.

I don't think there's any way I could have brought up my current CAD
machine the first time without a floppy- to load the RAID drivers.
Well worth the $19 (including a USB card reader in the same cutout).

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
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Posted by Joerg on September 26, 2007, 12:14 pm
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Spehro Pefhany wrote:

>
>
>>On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 01:13:42 +0000, Joerg wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Yes, I guess that $350 for the PC is a subsidized price, like some
>>>Internet providers where you must accept nag screens and ads.
>>
>>Some are still doing that? Have they figured out yet that HTTP
>>isn't just about web pages, or do they still try to replace XML-RPC
>>streams with ads?
>>
>>
>>>I'm wondering whether I can cram both my 3-1/2 and 5-1/4 drives in there
>>>or have to copy all the legacy files. That would not be cool if I had to.
>>
>>You still have a 5-1/4" drive? I didn't even bother with a 3-1/2"
>>drive with my last PC ~2 years ago, and the one before that had its
>>3-1/2" drive removed ~4-5 years ago to free the last bay for another HDD.
>>
>>Actually, I doubt that there's still a floppy in the house. When I ditched
>>the the P-120, the driver disks (3com 3c509B, Diamond Stealth 32) went
>>with it. Given the green tinge and slimy feel, they probably weren't
>>readable, anyhow.
>>
>>Although, I *do* still have a few rolls of punched tape, containing
>>the first BASIC programs I wrote.
>
>
> I don't think there's any way I could have brought up my current CAD
> machine the first time without a floppy- to load the RAID drivers.
> Well worth the $19 (including a USB card reader in the same cutout).
>

Problem is, the mail order places don't provide much info anymore these
days. It's harder to find out how many cutouts and slots are free and
which kinds of slots. Got to move the two floppy drives over to the new
machine, for the same reason that you discovered.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com

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