Electronics Design Re: cordless cell phone?

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Re: cordless cell phone? Joel Koltner 01-07-08
Posted by Joel Koltner on January 7, 2008, 1:37 pm
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>I think it's funny that my cell phone with a software defined radio
> that works around 1.9GHz can't talk to my DECT 6.0 base which also
> works around 1.9GHz...

A couple reasons:

1) Cell phones are heavilg cost- and performance-optimized. The whole idea
that, "oh, it's a software-defined radio, so it'll work on any band with any
bandwidth!" is largely a myth propagated by people who either don't understand
the relationships between noise, bandwidth and dynamic range... or those who
are looking for funding to build 24-bit 1GHz ADCs. :-) DECT operates at
1920-1930MHz whereas GSM is 1850-1910MHz (uplink) and 1930-1990MHz (downlink).
Notice where DECT is... inbetween the two, where a cell phone is often trying
very hard to have significant attenuation so that the uplilnk and downlink
don't interfere with each other! The point here is that there's a good chance
it's not *just* software that would have to be changed in a cell phone to make
it DECT compatible, but hardware as well -- and this could have a negative
impact on component count (size) or cost. (I realize many DECT phones are the
same at the *digital* level as GSM cell phones, I'm talking about the RF front
end here.)

2) There's not a big enough monetary incentive to the guy making the cell
phone to do it.

> I'd like to have just one telephone handset. It's a cell phone when
> I'm away from home, and it connects to my DECT base set when I'm at
> home so I can use VOIP.

I'd suggest that a software-only approach to make this happen would be to link
to a VOIP box via Bluetooth, although I realize that Bluetooth's range is only
~30 feet and hence probably not a good solution.

> Why does my Canon camera not present
> myself as a USB mass storage device?

Because the typical user doesn't want to see "just a drive letter" when they
plug in their camera, hence there's a separate device class for cameras.
There's no reason a camera couldn't present itself as *both" a "camera" and a
mass storage device, but again, this requires significantly more work on the
manufacturer's part for what's probably felt to be little if any extra income.

---Joel



Posted by Joerg on January 7, 2008, 5:50 pm
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Joel Koltner wrote:

> ... or those who are looking for funding to build 24-bit 1GHz ADCs. :-)


ROFL! I almost spilled my water bottle.

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Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Posted by Michael A. Terrell on January 7, 2008, 6:32 pm
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Joerg wrote:
>
> Joel Koltner wrote:
>
> > ... or those who are looking for funding to build 24-bit 1GHz ADCs. :-)
>
> ROFL! I almost spilled my water bottle.


Yeah, but you'd want to built it completely out of discretes! ;-)

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Posted by Joerg on January 7, 2008, 8:32 pm
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Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> Joerg wrote:
>> Joel Koltner wrote:
>>
>>> ... or those who are looking for funding to build 24-bit 1GHz ADCs. :-)
>> ROFL! I almost spilled my water bottle.
>
>
> Yeah, but you'd want to built it completely out of discretes! ;-)
>

Guilty. Not ADCs but I've reduced lots of circuits from the fancy
digital domain to analog. Comment from an engineer after peeking at a
new design last summer: "You mean, that's it?"

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Posted by Joel Koltner on January 8, 2008, 2:43 am
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> Guilty. Not ADCs but I've reduced lots of circuits from the fancy digital
> domain to analog. Comment from an engineer after peeking at a new design
> last summer: "You mean, that's it?"

Do you ever worry that, on the off-chance you had to go out looking for a
regular job again some day, you'd be hard-pressed to find one given that you
just don't think widgets need to be as bloody complicated as the attending
engineering manage has been led to believe... and they figure the problem is
that you must be a little slow in comprehending the problem? :-)




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