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Posted by amdx on August 9, 2008, 7:38 am
Please log in for more thread options The government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it. - Ronald Reagan Mike | ||||
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Posted by MooseFET on August 9, 2008, 12:29 pm
Please log in for more thread options Yes, but who wrote it for him? Also dod you know that many of the quotes of Reagan where never actually said by him? Michael Deever used to make up good lines and them claim that Reagan had said them. When Reagan was governor of California, he raised taxes. When he was president (taking the total of the 8 years) he also raised taxes. The right needs its heroes and the mythical Reagan fits the bill the real Reagan need not apply. | ||||
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Posted by Joe Chisolm on August 9, 2008, 3:56 pm
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On Sat, 09 Aug 2008 09:29:12 -0700, MooseFET wrote: >> The government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short
>> phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it >> stops moving, subsidize it. >> - Ronald Reagan >
> Yes, but who wrote it for him? Also dod you know that many of the quotes > of Reagan where never actually said by him? Michael Deever used to make > up good lines and them claim that Reagan had said them. > Go get the book "Reagan A life in Letters" and read all 800+ pages then re-evaluate your statement. > When Reagan was governor of California, he raised taxes. When he was
> president (taking the total of the 8 years) he also raised taxes. > > The right needs its heroes and the mythical Reagan fits the bill the real > Reagan need not apply. Having done the "duck and cover" drills and watched missiles test fired at White Sands, IMO he did the right things. -- Joe Chisolm Marble Falls, TX | ||||
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Posted by MooseFET on August 10, 2008, 7:43 pm
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> On Sat, 09 Aug 2008 09:29:12 -0700, MooseFET wrote:
> >> The government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short
> >> phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it > >> stops moving, subsidize it. > >> - Ronald Reagan >
> > Yes, but who wrote it for him? Also dod you know that many of the quotes
> > of Reagan where never actually said by him? Michael Deever used to make > > up good lines and them claim that Reagan had said them. >
> Go get the book "Reagan A life in Letters" and read all 800+ pages then > re-evaluate your statement. Are you claiming that Deever didn't write those statements after the fact. It was well documented in several cases. >
> > When Reagan was governor of California, he raised taxes. When he was
> > president (taking the total of the 8 years) he also raised taxes. >
> > The right needs its heroes and the mythical Reagan fits the bill the real
> > Reagan need not apply. >
> Having done the "duck and cover" drills and watched missiles test fired at > White Sands, IMO he did the right things. So you agree that raising taxes is the right thing to do? | ||||
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Posted by Joe Chisolm on August 11, 2008, 3:42 am
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On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 16:43:47 -0700, MooseFET wrote: >> On Sat, 09 Aug 2008 09:29:12 -0700, MooseFET wrote:
>> >> The government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few
>> >> short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. >> >> And if it stops moving, subsidize it. >> >> - Ronald Reagan >>
>> > Yes, but who wrote it for him? Also dod you know that many of the
>> > quotes of Reagan where never actually said by him? Michael Deever >> > used to make up good lines and them claim that Reagan had said them. >>
>> Go get the book "Reagan A life in Letters" and read all 800+ pages then >> re-evaluate your statement. >
> Are you claiming that Deever didn't write those statements after the fact. > It was well documented in several cases. > You said "many of the quotes". While I have not done an exhaustive research, most of what I find are a couple of quotes by Larry Speakes. I would appreciate your providing some information on the documented cases so I can better educate myself on this issue. However, I do feel that the tone of your initial statement was one of the often said "Reagan the buffoon actor who stared with a monkey". He was an educated and well read person. >
>> > When Reagan was governor of California, he raised taxes. When he was
>> > president (taking the total of the 8 years) he also raised taxes. >>
>> > The right needs its heroes and the mythical Reagan fits the bill the
>> > real Reagan need not apply. >>
>> Having done the "duck and cover" drills and watched missiles test fired >> at White Sands, IMO he did the right things. >
> So you agree that raising taxes is the right thing to do? No. Your statement of "... The right needs its heroes and the mythical Reagan fits the bill....". There was no myth about it, he was a hero and the world is a better place. The fall of the Soviet empire has bettered the world in many ways. Reagan did not have to have SDI work, he just needed the Soviets to believe it might work and that we had the will to make it work. The reasoning worked, we have a global economy that would not be possible if we were still in the cold war days. MADD is no longer in most people's vocabulary. The world is still a very dangerous place but a hell of a lot better than in the 60's, 70's and early 80's. As a kid, more than once we had "weather balloons" come down, quickly followed by enough troops to invade a small nation. I'm pretty sure they were early test of spy satellites. Some nights we would all rush out side, some Moms and Dads in a slight panic, wondering what the weird missile contrails were on the horizon. Ever seen a B-52 cruise the NM desert at about 400ft. Impressive when you're a kid, not so much now that I'm older. In April and October they open up Trinity site at White Sands. Go there sometime. A few notes about the tax cuts and increases: The 1981 Economic Recovery Act cut all income tax rates by 25%, reduced the top income tax rate from 70% to 50%, indexed tax rates for inflation, and increased the tax exemption on estates and gifts. A problem Reagan had was federal spending for welfare almost doubled from $106.1 billion in 1980 to $173 billion in 1988. Reagan wanted to make sure social security of FDR would remain sound, but reduce LBJ's (sorry sob) Great Society largess. Reagan went along with the Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act of 1982 (TEFRA) based on assurances that Tip O'Neal's Congress would cut $3 of spending for every $1 of tax increase. Well, Tip and Congress lied and cut less than about 25c for every dollar of increase. It's said that TEFRA taught Reagan to "trust but verify". The 1986 Tax Reform Act was a bipartisan deal of Reagan agreeing to close tax loopholes if the Democrats would agree to lower marginal rates for families and individuals. The act lowered the top rate from 50% to 33%, and cut the number of tax brackets. It also increased personal deductions and got rid of some special interest deductions. And with a Democrat push, it expanded the "tax on the rich" AMT to a bunch more folks. -- Joe Chisolm Marble Falls, TX | ||||
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> phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it
> stops moving, subsidize it.
> - Ronald Reagan