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OT: Problems with sbcglobal news server? Joerg 08-16-05
Posted by Joerg on August 16, 2005, 11:43 pm
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Hello All,

If you are reading and posting in newsgroups via an sbcglobal server, do
you also have these problems?

Every once in a while and recently every other day I get frequent
requests to enter my user name and password. Sometimes it sticks, other
times it returns an NNTP authentication error and locks me out. It's
like roulette, hit or miss. The worst is when that happens after a
lengthy answer to a post and it freezes up my reply. Usually then it's
gone. Other times that post does show up either a few minutes later or
several ten minutes later as a double post.

Writing to SBC wasn't helpful, they didn't know and just pointed
fingers. Oh, it's Yahoo and so on (strange, their servers name is
sbcglobal.net). IOW, no clue. Then I called support and after the usual
rigamaroo it rang at an outsource center, most likely India.
Surprisingly the tech there figured out what it was, a server problem.
An hour after that call it all worked again for a day or so, only to
deteriorate again. I just wonder what that is and whether it's
widespread among users or not.

If I don't answer for a while here forgive me, then I am most likely
locked out again. It can be days at a time.

Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com

Posted by Mac on August 16, 2005, 11:18 pm
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On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 20:43:26 +0000, Joerg wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> If you are reading and posting in newsgroups via an sbcglobal server, do
> you also have these problems?
>

I don't seem to.

> Every once in a while and recently every other day I get frequent
> requests to enter my user name and password. Sometimes it sticks, other
> times it returns an NNTP authentication error and locks me out. It's
> like roulette, hit or miss. The worst is when that happens after a
> lengthy answer to a post and it freezes up my reply. Usually then it's
> gone. Other times that post does show up either a few minutes later or
> several ten minutes later as a double post.
>
> Writing to SBC wasn't helpful, they didn't know and just pointed
> fingers. Oh, it's Yahoo and so on (strange, their servers name is
> sbcglobal.net). IOW, no clue. Then I called support and after the usual
> rigamaroo it rang at an outsource center, most likely India.
> Surprisingly the tech there figured out what it was, a server problem.
> An hour after that call it all worked again for a day or so, only to
> deteriorate again. I just wonder what that is and whether it's
> widespread among users or not.
>
> If I don't answer for a while here forgive me, then I am most likely
> locked out again. It can be days at a time.
>
> Regards, Joerg
>
> http://www.analogconsultants.com

I don't seem to be having any such problems at the moment, although I
have had such issues in the past.

I'm using news.sf.sbcglobal.net, because I live in San Francisco. (In
fact, I think I should try to convince John Larkin to give me a job at
Highland Technology; Judging from the address on his website, I would
have a sub-10 minute commute! In a pinch, I could even walk it.)

--Mac


Posted by Joerg on August 17, 2005, 8:11 pm
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Hello Mac,

> I don't seem to be having any such problems at the moment, although I
> have had such issues in the past.

Were these issues similar?

> I'm using news.sf.sbcglobal.net, because I live in San Francisco. (In
> fact, I think I should try to convince John Larkin to give me a job at
> Highland Technology; Judging from the address on his website, I would
> have a sub-10 minute commute! In a pinch, I could even walk it.)

Well, maybe you can contract with him? I am also using that server. What
surprises me is that your line breaks are ok. Mine often aren't even
though I have all the right settings on the PC and newsreader and it
shows correctly on the screen when I write. Sending email ist fine but
when posting all the line breaks are often gone afterwards. That's the
other thing that puzzles me.

Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com

Posted by Mac on August 18, 2005, 12:39 am
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On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 17:11:07 +0000, Joerg wrote:

> Hello Mac,
>
>> I don't seem to be having any such problems at the moment, although I
>> have had such issues in the past.
>
> Were these issues similar?

Well, I think so. What I remember is that my newsreader wouldn't download
messages, and when I look at the error log it would say that there was an
authentication error. In my case, the newsreader (PAN) stores the
password, so I never get prompted to enter it.

This hasn't happened in a couple of months for me.

>
>> I'm using news.sf.sbcglobal.net, because I live in San Francisco. (In
>> fact, I think I should try to convince John Larkin to give me a job at
>> Highland Technology; Judging from the address on his website, I would
>> have a sub-10 minute commute! In a pinch, I could even walk it.)
>
> Well, maybe you can contract with him?

I've never done any contracting. Only "full-time permanent" status
employment, although there is nothing particularly permanent about
permanent status nowadays. ;-)

How much experience do you have to have before you can plausibly be a
contractor? I've got about 5 years of experience since getting my BSEE.
My experience involves large digital boards (SBC's) and simple analog
design with op-amps (amplifiers, buffers, filters, level shifters). I have
also designed in a number of switch-mode voltage regulators without
starting any fires or blowing up any boards (that I know of). And I've
done some Verilog work.

I don't have any experience, for the most part, with cost-sensitive
design, so I sometimes just over-design things when I am not sure. And I
don't waste too much time looking for cheap parts. If I can find an
expensive one that looks like it will work, I'll just use it. This is
because the stuff I do now is very low volume, and my time is one of the
most expensive parts of the project.

With the SBC's (different company), there was intense schedule pressure,
and the cost was dominated by the processor, chipset, and on-board RAM,
and volumes weren't huge (thousands per year, if we were lucky), so it
didn't make too much sense to worry about saving a dollar or two per
board. At least nobody ever told me any part I selected was too expensive,
so I never worried about it.

Anyway, I am working right now, but I may be looking to work closer to
home in a few months. My wife and I just had our first baby.

> I am also using that server. What surprises me is that your line
> breaks are ok. Mine often aren't even though I have all the right
> settings on the PC and newsreader and it shows correctly on the screen
> when I write. Sending email ist fine but when posting all the line
> breaks are often gone afterwards. That's the other thing that puzzles me.
>

Interesting. Maybe it is a bug in Mozilla? Maybe you should try Agent by
Forte (or whatever it is called), or PAN, if there is a windows version
available. PAN seems to do a good job with the breaks. It can re-wrap long
lines and preserve quoting levels in the process. This is very convenient
at times.

> Regards, Joerg
>
> http://www.analogconsultants.com

--Mac


Posted by Joerg on August 18, 2005, 9:34 pm
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Hello Mac,

>>Were these issues similar?
>
> Well, I think so. What I remember is that my newsreader wouldn't download
> messages, and when I look at the error log it would say that there was an
> authentication error. In my case, the newsreader (PAN) stores the
> password, so I never get prompted to enter it.

That's exactly what I had.

> This hasn't happened in a couple of months for me.

Right now it's fine but you never know when it starts again.

> How much experience do you have to have before you can plausibly be a
> contractor? I've got about 5 years of experience since getting my BSEE.
> My experience involves large digital boards (SBC's) and simple analog
> design with op-amps (amplifiers, buffers, filters, level shifters). I have
> also designed in a number of switch-mode voltage regulators without
> starting any fires or blowing up any boards (that I know of). And I've
> done some Verilog work.

There is no rule as to experience. It's all word of mouth since there
really is no market forum for contractors. Unless you go through
contracting firms and accept that they take a large cut as middlemen.

> I don't have any experience, for the most part, with cost-sensitive
> design, so I sometimes just over-design things when I am not sure. And I
> don't waste too much time looking for cheap parts. If I can find an
> expensive one that looks like it will work, I'll just use it. This is
> because the stuff I do now is very low volume, and my time is one of the
> most expensive parts of the project.

I found that it was often necessary to turn a 5c FET around and around,
then replace it with a 1c bipolar. It depends where you want to work. I
enjoy cost sensitive design a lot.

> Anyway, I am working right now, but I may be looking to work closer to
> home in a few months. My wife and I just had our first baby.

Congratulation!

>>I am also using that server. What surprises me is that your line
>>breaks are ok. Mine often aren't even though I have all the right
>>settings on the PC and newsreader and it shows correctly on the screen
>>when I write. Sending email ist fine but when posting all the line
>>breaks are often gone afterwards. That's the other thing that puzzles me.
>
> Interesting. Maybe it is a bug in Mozilla? Maybe you should try Agent by
> Forte (or whatever it is called), or PAN, if there is a windows version
> available. PAN seems to do a good job with the breaks. It can re-wrap long
> lines and preserve quoting levels in the process. This is very convenient
> at times.

Well, I tried numerous newsreaders and three different OS. Always the same.

Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com

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