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Posted by John Larkin on July 19, 2008, 1:53 pm
Please log in for more thread options >bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:
>> On Jul 19, 3:10 am, John Larkin
>> >>> Everybody needs a good book on high-speed circuit and pcb design,
>>> except that there ain't one. >>
>> Too true. Ralph Morrison's book >> >> Grounding and Shielding: Circuits and Interference (Morrison, Ralph. >> Grounding and Shielding Techniques.) (Hardcover) by Ralph Morrison >> (Author) Wiley-IEEE Press; 5 edition (March 16, 2007) ISBN-10: >> 0470097728 >> ISBN-13: 978-0470097724 >> >> has been through a lot of editions, and now has chapter on printed >> ciruit layout for high-speed circuits, but it's not a patch on the >> rest of the book; the intoduction to the original book is brilliant >> and makes the basic physics thoroughly accessible. I've yet to come >> across anything equivalent for high speed circuit design. >> >Yes. Morrison is on the list already--good to know about the PC layout
>section in the newer edition. Since the first edition is 30 or so years >old, Morrison is probably either retired or too senior to be doing much >bench work these days. When you're writing about this stuff from a >distance, you don't have enough grip on the situation to be really >practical, as I've discovered over and over. You really have to have >tried escaping 500 high speed differential lines from a CPU on a >six-layer board to know what PC design is all about. (No, I haven't, >but some of my friends have--one product board I've helped with has a >2256-pin surface-mount backplane connector, with lines running at 5 Gb/s.) What stuff there is on high-speed pcb layout is contradictory and mostly bad. Pity. >
>> Howard Johnson's books
>> >> High Speed Digital Design: A Handbook of Black Magic (Prentice Hall >> Modern Semiconductor Design Series' Sub Series: PH Signal Integrity >> Library) ISBN-10: 0133957241 ISBN-13: 978-0133957242 >> >> High Speed Signal Propagation: Advanced Black Magic (Prentice Hall >> Modern Semiconductor Design Series' Sub Series: PH Signal Integrity >> Library) ISBN-10: 013084408X ISBN-13: 978-0130844088 >> >> both of which I've got - aren't worth reading through, though they are >> very handy places to find information about solutions to specific Parts of it are absurd, and the writing can get extremely annoying. >
>I'm still sort of torn about it--same with "Photonics Rules of Thumb", >which I gave a good review on Amazon, but which turns out on closer >examination to have a lot of the same issues as HoJo. I have PROT, and I agree, it's sloppy like the Black Magic thing. John | ||||
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Posted by Glen Walpert on July 19, 2008, 5:58 pm
Please log in for more thread options >bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:
>> On Jul 19, 3:10 am, John Larkin
>> >>> Everybody needs a good book on high-speed circuit and pcb design,
>>> except that there ain't one. >>
>> Too true. Ralph Morrison's book >> >> Grounding and Shielding: Circuits and Interference (Morrison, Ralph. >> Grounding and Shielding Techniques.) (Hardcover) by Ralph Morrison >> (Author) Wiley-IEEE Press; 5 edition (March 16, 2007) ISBN-10: >> 0470097728 >> ISBN-13: 978-0470097724 >> >> has been through a lot of editions, and now has chapter on printed >> ciruit layout for high-speed circuits, but it's not a patch on the >> rest of the book; the intoduction to the original book is brilliant >> and makes the basic physics thoroughly accessible. I've yet to come >> across anything equivalent for high speed circuit design. >> >Yes. Morrison is on the list already--good to know about the PC layout
>section in the newer edition. Since the first edition is 30 or so years >old, Morrison is probably either retired or too senior to be doing much >bench work these days. When you're writing about this stuff from a >distance, you don't have enough grip on the situation to be really >practical, as I've discovered over and over. You really have to have >tried escaping 500 high speed differential lines from a CPU on a >six-layer board to know what PC design is all about. (No, I haven't, >but some of my friends have--one product board I've helped with has a >2256-pin surface-mount backplane connector, with lines running at 5 Gb/s.) Morrison is one of my favorites too. The second edition was my first introduction to the estimation of parisitic circuits, and it bailed me out enough times I bought the third and fourth editions, but not yet the new "5th edition" which has just come out: http://www.amazon.com/dp/0470097728/ref=pe_606_9808310_pe_ar_t2 I call it the "5th edition" because it seems to cover the same material although it sports a new title. Glen | ||||
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Posted by Bob Pownall on July 30, 2008, 7:45 pm
Please log in for more thread options Glen Walpert wrote:
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> > Morrison is one of my favorites too. The second edition was my first > introduction to the estimation of parisitic circuits, and it bailed me > out enough times I bought the third and fourth editions, but not yet > the new "5th edition" which has just come out: > http://www.amazon.com/dp/0470097728/ref=pe_606_9808310_pe_ar_t2 > I call it the "5th edition" because it seems to cover the same > material although it sports a new title. > > Glen This probably too late to be of use for Dr. Hobbs list, but it might be worth taking a look at "Essentials of RF and Microwave Grounding", Eric Holzman, Artech. It was suggested to me by a friend who's very knowledgable about RF stuff. I thought it looked pretty good, but I'm still learning what's what in terms of grounding and shielding. I just checked out the Morrison book from my university library and am currently working my way through it. Bob Pownall | ||||
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Posted by John Devereux on July 18, 2008, 1:39 pm
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> I'm working on the second edition of "Building Electro-Optical
> Systems", and I'm putting in a bibliography of a hundred or so good > books for advanced students as well as pros from other fields, which > is attached below. [...] "Understanding Digital Signal Processing" by Richard G Lyons seems good. -- John Devereux | ||||
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Posted by Jeff Liebermann on July 18, 2008, 1:39 pm
Please log in for more thread options On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:36:36 -0400, Phil Hobbs
>I'm working on the second edition of "Building Electro-Optical Systems",
>and I'm putting in a bibliography of a hundred or so good books for >advanced students as well as pros from other fields, which is attached >below. I'm not qualified to add anything to your bibliography. It appears that you're taking user comments seriously: <http://www.amazon.com/review/product/0471246816?filterBy=addThreeStar>
Incidentally, the link from page 1 of your book for background references: <ftp://ftp.wiley.com/sci_tech_med/electro-optical/>
doesn't work and should be:
<ftp://ftp.wiley.com/public/sci_tech_med/electro-optical>
instead. Howlers?
However, I do have a humble request. Please include in the bibliography the latest revision number and especially the revision date for each publication (not the date of initial publication). That's so I can tell the difference between ancient history and recent technology. Yes, I know it's a major exercise, but I find it very useful. Also, the standard complaint about the high price of technical books: <http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/0471246816/ref=dp_olp_2>
Best of luck... -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 | ||||
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