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Bonded T1 with 1720 or 2620 bavien 08-25-08
Posted by on August 25, 2008, 4:44 pm
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Need recommendation on which router to use:

Currently running a T1 line with Cisco 1720 router (32MB DRAM and 8MB
Flash) running IOS 12.2. Company planning on increasing the bandwidth
by bonding 2 T1s. Will the current 1720 router be resourcefully enough
to handle and perform decently with a second WIC card?

Need recommendation on whether to stay with this 1720 router or go
with a Cisco 2620.

Any idea on the requirement in terms of IOS/DRAM memory/FLASH for
both 1720 and 2620 in order to run 2 WIC cards for bonding 2 T1s?

Thanks.

BV

Posted by Doug McIntyre on August 25, 2008, 5:01 pm
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bavien@gmail.com writes:
>Need recommendation on which router to use:

>Currently running a T1 line with Cisco 1720 router (32MB DRAM and 8MB
>Flash) running IOS 12.2. Company planning on increasing the bandwidth
>by bonding 2 T1s. Will the current 1720 router be resourcefully enough
>to handle and perform decently with a second WIC card?

>Need recommendation on whether to stay with this 1720 router or go
>with a Cisco 2620.

>Any idea on the requirement in terms of IOS/DRAM memory/FLASH for
>both 1720 and 2620 in order to run 2 WIC cards for bonding 2 T1s?

Trash both and get a used 1841?

First off, you don't need DRAM/Flash for running two T1s. The only
thing you need DRAM/Flash for is running the IOS image you want to
run. A 2nd T1 doesn't use up more memory (over a tiny slight change
in buffer space, barely registerable). Multinklink and/or IP cef have
been part of IOS for a long long time. MLFR not so long.

The 2620 isn't a huge step up over the 1720. My rule of thumb was
always one T1 in a 1720, 2-3 T1s for the 2610/2620 (assuming no
NAT/CBAC). The 2600 really can't push much more than that.
If you are looking to get another used box, I'd look at a used 1841 instead,
although it uses different WIC cards than the 1720 did. (the
WIC-1DSU-T1 isn't supported on the 1841).

Then you'll have to match the method used by the other side for
running the dual T1. (ie. MLPPP or IP cef load balanced).


Posted by on August 25, 2008, 5:11 pm
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> bav...@gmail.com writes:
> >Need recommendation on which router to use:
> >Currently running a T1 line with Cisco 1720 router (32MB DRAM and 8MB
> >Flash) running IOS 12.2. Company planning on increasing the bandwidth
> >by bonding 2 T1s. Will the current 1720 router be resourcefully enough
> >to handle and perform decently with a second WIC card?
> >Need recommendation on whether to stay with this 1720 router or go
> >with a Cisco 2620.
> >Any idea on the requirement in terms of =A0IOS/DRAM memory/FLASH for
> >both 1720 and 2620 in order to run 2 WIC cards for bonding 2 T1s?
>
> Trash both and get a used 1841?
>
> First off, you don't need DRAM/Flash for running two T1s. The only
> thing you need DRAM/Flash for is running the IOS image you want to
> run. =A0A 2nd T1 doesn't use up more memory (over a tiny slight change
> in buffer space, barely registerable). Multinklink and/or IP cef have
> been part of IOS for a long long time. MLFR not so long.
>
> The 2620 isn't a huge step up over the 1720. My rule of thumb was
> always one T1 in a 1720, 2-3 T1s for the 2610/2620 (assuming no
> NAT/CBAC). The 2600 really can't push much more than that.
> If you are looking to get another used box, I'd look at a used 1841 inste=
ad,
> although it uses different WIC cards than the 1720 did. (the
> WIC-1DSU-T1 isn't supported on the 1841).
>
> Then you'll have to match the method used by the other side for
> running the dual T1. (ie. MLPPP or IP cef load balanced).

Thanks for the quick response Doug.

Happen to know the WIC name for router 1841 (if I go with 1841)?

Any particular reason NOT going with 1720?

Thanks again.

BV

Posted by Doug McIntyre on August 25, 2008, 5:24 pm
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bavien@gmail.com writes:
>> bav...@gmail.com writes:
>> >Need recommendation on which router to use:
>> >Currently running a T1 line with Cisco 1720 router (32MB DRAM and 8MB
>> >Flash) running IOS 12.2. Company planning on increasing the bandwidth
>> >by bonding 2 T1s. Will the current 1720 router be resourcefully enough
>> >to handle and perform decently with a second WIC card?
>> >Need recommendation on whether to stay with this 1720 router or go
>> >with a Cisco 2620.
>> >Any idea on the requirement in terms of =A0IOS/DRAM memory/FLASH for
>> >both 1720 and 2620 in order to run 2 WIC cards for bonding 2 T1s?
>>
>> Trash both and get a used 1841?
>>
>> First off, you don't need DRAM/Flash for running two T1s. The only
>> thing you need DRAM/Flash for is running the IOS image you want to
>> run. =A0A 2nd T1 doesn't use up more memory (over a tiny slight change
>> in buffer space, barely registerable). Multinklink and/or IP cef have
>> been part of IOS for a long long time. MLFR not so long.
>>
>> The 2620 isn't a huge step up over the 1720. My rule of thumb was
>> always one T1 in a 1720, 2-3 T1s for the 2610/2620 (assuming no
>> NAT/CBAC). The 2600 really can't push much more than that.
>> If you are looking to get another used box, I'd look at a used 1841 inste=
>ad,
>> although it uses different WIC cards than the 1720 did. (the
>> WIC-1DSU-T1 isn't supported on the 1841).
>>
>> Then you'll have to match the method used by the other side for
>> running the dual T1. (ie. MLPPP or IP cef load balanced).

>Thanks for the quick response Doug.

>Happen to know the WIC name for router 1841 (if I go with 1841)?

WIC-1DSU-T1-V2

(ie. only the V2 models work in the ISR and any future models).

>Any particular reason NOT going with 1720?

It doesn't generally have the capacity to push many packets. I've
seen them run out of steam after 2-2.5Mbps or so of sustained traffic
(ie. you don't get your full 2 T1s worth).
The 2610/2620 run out of steam around 4-5Mbps.




Posted by on August 25, 2008, 5:32 pm
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> bav...@gmail.com writes:
> >> bav...@gmail.com writes:
> >> >Need recommendation on which router to use:
> >> >Currently running a T1 line with Cisco 1720 router (32MB DRAM and 8MB
> >> >Flash) running IOS 12.2. Company planning on increasing the bandwidth
> >> >by bonding 2 T1s. Will the current 1720 router be resourcefully enoug=
h
> >> >to handle and perform decently with a second WIC card?
> >> >Need recommendation on whether to stay with this 1720 router or go
> >> >with a Cisco 2620.
> >> >Any idea on the requirement in terms of =3DA0IOS/DRAM memory/FLASH fo=
r
> >> >both 1720 and 2620 in order to run 2 WIC cards for bonding 2 T1s?
>
> >> Trash both and get a used 1841?
>
> >> First off, you don't need DRAM/Flash for running two T1s. The only
> >> thing you need DRAM/Flash for is running the IOS image you want to
> >> run. =3DA0A 2nd T1 doesn't use up more memory (over a tiny slight chan=
ge
> >> in buffer space, barely registerable). Multinklink and/or IP cef have
> >> been part of IOS for a long long time. MLFR not so long.
>
> >> The 2620 isn't a huge step up over the 1720. My rule of thumb was
> >> always one T1 in a 1720, 2-3 T1s for the 2610/2620 (assuming no
> >> NAT/CBAC). The 2600 really can't push much more than that.
> >> If you are looking to get another used box, I'd look at a used 1841 in=
ste=3D
> >ad,
> >> although it uses different WIC cards than the 1720 did. (the
> >> WIC-1DSU-T1 isn't supported on the 1841).
>
> >> Then you'll have to match the method used by the other side for
> >> running the dual T1. (ie. MLPPP or IP cef load balanced).
> >Thanks for the quick response Doug.
> >Happen to know the WIC name for router 1841 (if I go with 1841)?
>
> WIC-1DSU-T1-V2
>
> (ie. only the V2 models work in the ISR and any future models).
>
> >Any particular reason NOT going with 1720?
>
> It doesn't generally have the capacity to push many packets. =A0I've
> seen them run out of steam after 2-2.5Mbps or so of sustained traffic
> (ie. you don't get your full 2 T1s worth).
> The 2610/2620 run out of steam around 4-5Mbps.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Very helpful. Thanks again...

BV

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