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I am MCSE certified and have been working in the industry for 9 years
and want to take my career to the next level. Is getting Cisco
Certified the next level and if so which certification or specialty
should I get into, I thought Data or Network Security? Whats the
benefit in the other certifications if any such as A+ or Citrix etc.  I
have a B.S. in Information Systems and when I took the MCSE I didn't
need any additional schooling (read the books and passed). I understand
that the Cisco certifications are very different and I would need to
attend classes to pass the exams, if thats true then where do I goto
school for this since the local universities don't offer classes for
that? Thanks in advance everybody.


Re: Question about Cisco Cert from an MCSE
Dunno about going to "the next level" Cisco is not an OS so there can be no
comparison. It is a foregone conclusion that CCNA is De Facto when entering
into the world of internetworking (with Cisco Routers and switches anyway).
Think of it as a sideways step eg A+ MCP MCSE comparable alongside N+ CCNA
CCNP (then any specialistion that you may care to follow) You may even want
to specialise after CCNA. Up to you. You don't need to attend a class to
pass the CCNA...what you DO need is hands on experience so you can see how
the commands at the CLI (no GUI here) work. The exam can be passed without
experience but as a famous quote goes, when face with a real life situation,
will you know the correct answer, rather than a mulit choice "the answer is
C)


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Re: Question about Cisco Cert from an MCSE
Your right about the comparison, I guess I meant to say that I've been
on the application support end of the industry and I wanted to get
involved in networking security or data security end of it and I was
told that getting your Cisco certification is the way to go. How hard
is the test compared to MCSE if you can compare them?

Smudge Smith wrote:
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Re: Question about Cisco Cert from an MCSE
It is subjective really. It's like saying is BSc harder than BA, or is
Physics harder than Maths.

There is no way to gauge whether the CCNA is "harder" than the MCSE... with
the exception that MCSE consists of multiple exams whereas CCNA is only one
(or two depending on which route you follow).

If you "know" the subject material that is being tested then it is not hard
at all.

If you take a driving test without having ever driven a car then you will
surely fail (and the test will be deemed "hard".
If, however, you have some experience by way of lessons or other (off road
driving) then the test suddenly becomes less hard.

Hope this helps



Re: Question about Cisco Cert from an MCSE
I have a slightly different question, especially geared to those who
have MCSEs and CCNA.  A little re-assurance or reality check would help,
especially being in the "Show-Me" state of Missouri.

I enrolled in the local Cisco Academy for  this fall. I have 2 rather
under utilized NT4.0 and Win2k MCSEs, an A+ and 3 MOS certifications.  
Currently, I work at a call center. I am hoping as I approach 40 this
February, that the CCNA and possible CCNP will help me break out of my
mold, and actually aid in making more money, especially to legitimate
the vast amounts I have spent already. Yes, I was one of those folks who
got involved in computer work in 1999 for the cash, until the bottom
fell out. Now, I figure it's time to fully succeed with the Cisco stuff
and subsequent job prospects, or come up with a new career plan.  I
don't feel great about this path, but my friends who have taken some of
the classes urge me on, saying it should help vastly.

Has anyone out there had under-utilized skills or certifications, but
found that Cisco certifications improved their lot?  Is it possible to
actually find a job, preferably day-shift because Cisco really helped to
increase skillset and marketability?
Any feedback in this news group would be helpful and most appreciated.

Thanks ,
David

Re: Question about Cisco Cert from an MCSE

conan65@gmail.com wrote:
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you haven't googled at all.  You don't need to attend classes for Cisco
courses any more than that Microsoft one.
It's not as hard as you seem to dream that it is.  You read books. It's
all on google's archive of usenet.  These things have been asked enough
times


Re: Question about Cisco Cert from an MCSE

Response to None.

I certainly would encourage you to pursuit your CCNA if the networking
aspect of IT appeals to you. It provides the real fundamentals of
networking (more so, I believe, than any other IT course) plus, of
course, a good introduction to the Cisco world.
In this day and age I think you need to be cross skilled to remain
competitive on the job market and being solely an MCSE doesn't seem to
cut it anymore. Why? Because a vast amount of people coming into the
industry start with the 'MCSE career path' and we fall back to the rule
of supply and demand.
I think the Cisco job market is less swamped. My theory on this
(excluding the popularity and market share of MS) is it is not as
accessible. Most people have or have access to a PC with an MS OS. How
many people have access to a router? Also I think its because the whole
essence of MS is GUI and people are more likely to give it go even
though they are not quite sure what they are doing. With Cisco, you
need a solid understanding tnetworking, addressing, and the CLI before
even attempting to configure a router or switch for commercial
purposes.
Because of your experience, you should feel at ease at a technical
level with the CCNA and with your ambitions for bigger $$, you should
focus on the CCIE as your long term goal. The way the Internet is today
and with Cisco equipment running 60+% of it,  it's a demanding yet
exciting field to be in.  Whatever you decide to do, you'll never
regret learning.

Good Luck


Re: Question about Cisco Cert from an MCSE

Thank you and your advice is greatly appreciated. You've hit the nail
on the head, I new everything you wrote was true but for some reason
you explained it in a way that I couldn't doubt. Some people have
already told me that I don't need to take a class to pass the CCNA and
that I could just buy the books and study on my own and pass like I did
with the MCSE? What is your take on that?


Re: Question about Cisco Cert from an MCSE


conan65@gmail.com wrote:
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Hi,
I think going to a class would suit a person new to IT, who doesn't
have any experience and has no technical contacts to bounce queries off
etc. My advice to you would be save your money and instead buy a decent
study guide and a plethora of test questions, simulation suites etc.
Actually, I found that the best study material was found in the biggest
library of all - the net!  But most importantly, get your hands a
couple of second hand routers and a switch. Hacking away at a test lab
at home is invaluable. A couple of 1700s and a 2950 should suffice.
You'll find lots of used equipment on eBay sold for the purpose of
studying the CCNA. You can always sell it back when you have finished.
If you are currently working, see if it's possible to get involved
with any Cisco work. Speak to whoever is responsible for it and find
out how the routers and switches are used in your work environment.
Seeing Cisco equipment is a production environment will really gel
things for you when you start to learn all the theory in the study
guides.

All the best


Re: Question about Cisco Cert from an MCSE

conan65@gmail.com wrote:
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Hi,
I think going to a class would suit a person new to IT, who doesn't
have any experience and has no technical contacts to bounce queries off
etc. My advice to you would be save your money and instead buy a decent
study guide and a plethora of test questions, simulation suites etc.
Actually, I found that the best study material was found in the biggest
library of all - the net!  But most importantly, get your hands a
couple of second hand routers and a switch. Hacking away at a test lab
at home is invaluable. A couple of 1700s and a 2950 should suffice.
You'll find lots of used equipment on eBay sold for the purpose of
studying the CCNA. You can always sell it back when you have finished.
If you are currently working, see if it's possible to get involved
with any Cisco work. Speak to whoever is responsible for it and find
out how the routers and switches are used in your work environment.
Seeing Cisco equipment is a production environment will really gel
things for you when you start to learn all the theory in the study
guides.

All the best


Re: Question about Cisco Cert from an MCSE
Tyler,

Any suggestions regarding a PIX and certification? I was thinking
about a 515 or a 520.

Thanks in advance, Bart

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