Are Cisco Exam candidates forced to cheat?

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I'd like to bring this topic to light on the Cisco UseNet as it is
becoming an increasingly popular subject.  This is in regards to
http://www.networkworld.com/community/?q=node/16249 .  Specifically,
this is regarding Cisco tests:

646-203 Sales Expert Exam
646-229 IPCC Advanced Account Manager Exam
646-361 Foundation Express for Account Managers
646-391 Lifecycle Services Express Exam

Any commentary here or on the CertGuard forums at
http://www.certguard.com/forums /
would be appreciated by anyone who has an expertise or past training
with or without taking the previous exams in this area.

Sincerely,

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Taylor S. Ripley
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Current popular topic of discussion:
http://www.certguard.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=197


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Understandable however you also must think that many if the questions in =
the CCNA exams are wither umbigious or they are purely designed to throw =
you off.

The problem is the system of Cisco's certification which gives the =
student an enormous pressure to pass.  The following are some issues.
  a.. Each section would have approximately 14 module exams, maybe a mid =
section exam, a final exam that is double the size and skills tests etc.
  b.. Each module exam contains approximately 20 questions.
  c.. Their questions are either ambigious, bording to the point of =
total stupidity or designed to throw you off where a simple mistake can =
cost you approximately 5% of your total marks.
  d.. Their questions are sometimes are not clear and they are full of =
americanism jargon (this is supposed to be an international =
certification) that many other countries find it difficult.
  e.. Their pass rate is extremly high especially when relating to the =
above issues.
By the time you finally obtain your CCNA certification you would have =
undertaken 60 exams totalling 1200 questions.  That is a shit load of =
questions where at the end you are totally examed out and possibly sick =
of it.  I have personally witnessed some students throw their keyboards =
out of the windows when they are skillful however the questions that =
Cisco provides are totally stupid.

Now I am against cheating as that cheating simply cheapens the =
certification and the hard slogging work the student (you) put into this =
however the fault also lies with Cisco to provide a better solution for =
their certification that will properly examine the student for knowledge =
of managing and programming of their routers rather than knowledge of =
their products like the preverbial McDonalds.

Re: Are Cisco Exam candidates forced to cheat?
On what planet did you get the following info?
60 tests?
Sorry if you can't pass the ccna on one or two tries- you don't have the
skills to do the job anyways end of story.
This is not rocket science.
The article on certguard is not factual either- cisco does indeed have
online training available (free at that) for these tests mentioned and
are all that is necesary to pass them.




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If it is not factual, can you please point out where it is wrong with
links and instructions?

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Re: Are Cisco Exam candidates forced to cheat?
I am referring to the network world link posted referencing the
certguard.com article (or discussion group post)
The cisco lifecycle exam (although completely useless and probably only
done by partners to retains status compliance) does have a corresponding
e-learning module available on cisco's website.

I can't post a link- the level of access to cco depends of course on the
user's access level- but if they have any need to take that test- then
they have access to those training materials, and if not their Cisco AM
can set it up for them.





Taylor S. Ripley [CertGuard] wrote:
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Earth


Yes

I have currently completed CCNA 1 & 2

According to my grade book I have already completed 30 of them.  Also have
completed 2 case studies and three skills tests.  All part of CCNA 1 & 2

Spoken to several students who have done CCNA-3 & 4 and they stated that
they would have done about 30 more module tests after mine.

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What are you sorry about - for being rude or just plain arrogant?

As what I have said before, The test are in an American form of English and
the differences between the English languages means a students passes or
fails.  The USA is not the only country in this world.

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So I presume that you have the capabilities for rocket science?

However as what I have stated before

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Well have a go at the other person and also get off that high almighty horse
of yours as your shit stinks as much as mine.



Re: Are Cisco Exam candidates forced to cheat?

Well if you have done 60 prep tests then why not wrote the real one?
I am sorry that you can't figure out that it is a basic level
certification and anyone I know that has read a book and studied has
passed it.
I am well aware the US is not the only country in the world, I don't
even live there, but unfortunately english is the exam's language- ask
cisco to come up with a german version or whatever you want if you feel
that would be fairer. IOS is only in one language- so that will be reality.
I guarantee this is not rocket science. You presumed for nothing.
If you are advocating Cisco dilute or make the test easier, then I
disagree.
I am not on any horse- fact is you need to spend more time studying and
less time complaining.






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You need to stop wanking.



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Captain Apollo wrote:
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Again... time wasted chiding me when you could be writing your 60 exams.
Good luck with all that.


Re: Are Cisco Exam candidates forced to cheat?
You people have completely shat all over my thread.  Thanks.

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Taylor,

I can only apologise on my behalf as I attempted to contribute to this
newsgroup bringing forth my opinions on this topic and this jerk decided to
place crap upon me rather personally.

I don't attempt to be completely knowlegable in Cisco nor the CCNA course
however I also provided my grievences that the course had provided in the
past six months of my course.

It is better that you read my original response and possibly respond to
that.  Once again Taylor, on behalf of myself, I give my apologies.

Kindest Regards



Re: Are Cisco Exam candidates forced to cheat?
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 09:49:45 GMT

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Cap'n, I think you are confusing tests that are part of your course, with what
jw was referring to, which is actual CCNA cert. exam(s). The latter (either one
single exam 640-801, or two exams 640-821 and 640-811) are what constitute the
certification. The course you are doing, and the tests you are taking are
simply part of your teaching-venue's curriculum, they are not a requried part
of the CCNA cert.

It is possible for people to take the cert. exams without any other tests,
hence some surprise being expressed when you referred to taking 60. :)




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You are referring to the Cisco Academy.  That is not the CCNA exam.  CCNA is
one exam, possibly two if you decide to sit the two parts separately.  You
can get your CCNA certification by passing a single 90 minute exam.

Although, I will agree with your initial assesment of...

"Their questions are either ambigious, bording to the point of total
stupidity or designed to throw you off where a simple mistake can cost you
approximately 5% of your total marks."




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