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Posted by Nokia6230i on May 28, 2007, 2:51 am
Please log in for more thread options I decide to take CCNA and try to get a job based only on that cert. I have to point out that I do not have any registered experience. Thank You. PS. I`m 28y old, is it possible that professional reorientation at this age is too late, in this sector more exact? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Posted by Speedy on May 28, 2007, 4:16 am
Please log in for more thread options background at about the same age. The main issue is not having real world experience, and employers will always look at that over certification. What I found was that with the certification I could get an interview, but not the job, so I took some fairly junior positions to gain the required experience and knowledge that the exams can't provide. I also made a big deal of my experience as a field engineer that provided me with customer facing skills, this is something that no exam can teach and if you are good at it then point it out. Hope that helps. JV | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Posted by Mike Rahl on May 28, 2007, 9:52 am
Please log in for more thread options > Retraining at 28 aint the problem, I retrained in IT from an elecronics
> background at about the same age. The main issue is not having real world > experience, and employers will always look at that over certification. What > I found was that with the certification I could get an interview, but not > the job, so I took some fairly junior positions to gain the required > experience and knowledge that the exams can't provide. I also made a big > deal of my experience as a field engineer that provided me with customer > facing skills, this is something that no exam can teach and if you are good > at it then point it out. > > Hope that helps. > > JV > > > > > > > What are the possibilites of employment for CISCO certified, for example
> > if I decide to take CCNA and try to get a job based only on that cert. > > I have to point out that I do not have any registered experience. >
> > Thank You.
>
> > PS. I`m 28y old, is it possible that professional reorientation at this
> > age is too late, in this sector more exact?- Hide quoted text - >
> - Show quoted text - It should be noted that a certification is a good way to learn, and is primarily a way to enhance existing experience. One should not depend on certifications as the sole marker of one's abilities if one wishes to gain meaningful employment. You have to gain experience from the bottom up, like in any other industry (think of how a lawyer progresses to being a senior partner; they start as an associate working 80 hour weeks, and work their way up) | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Posted by Robert Williams [CertGuard] on May 30, 2007, 4:53 pm
Please log in for more thread options I beg to differ, Mike. Certifications are NOT a learning tool. Certifications
are to REINFORCE one's experience and knowledge of the systems, or equipment that they're working on. When you make a statement like that, you're opening up the field for everyone and anyone that wants to LEARN about IT to just take a chance at learning it. When that is the case, most people choose to learn the wrong way. People that have not invested, into the industry, a significant amount of time, prior to investigating certifications, tend to not care if they degrade those certifications. They more often than not go straight for the braindumps and don't care if their certifications are worth anything. Some useful links: Home: http://www.CertGuard.com Forums: http://www.CertGuard.com/forums/ Articles: http://www.CertGuard.com/articles.asp Braindumps: http://www.CertGuard.com/braindumps.asp Practice Test Providers: http://www.CertGuard.com/reviews.asp Study Materials and Books: http://www.CertGuard.com/store.asp Vendor Links and Emails: http://www.CertGuard.com/links.asp CertGear: http://www.cafepress.com/certguard -- CertGuard >
> It should be noted that a certification is a good way to learn, and is > primarily a way to enhance existing experience. One should not depend > on certifications as the sole marker of one's abilities if one wishes > to gain meaningful employment. You have to gain experience from the > bottom up, like in any other industry (think of how a lawyer > progresses to being a senior partner; they start as an associate > working 80 hour weeks, and work their way up) > | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Posted by Scooby on May 30, 2007, 9:34 pm
Please log in for more thread options Well, I beg to differ with you. What you described is the idea of certs,
but not the reality. The reason that people go for the brain dumps is that is what the current testing methods encourage. I've explained to you before that the fix is not to criticize the end user, but to fix the tests so that they better test abilities to do the job rather than to remember odd facts that many people would use resources for anyway in the real world. What do you think the certification training books are that come out from Cisco and Microsoft, other than glorified brain dumps? The current certificaiton methods are what encourage people to learn the wrong way, not the brain dumps. The brain dumps are just a symptom of how disfunctional the testing process is. But, I do agree with Mike, Certs are a good way to enhance your existing experience. Note that he did mention that the experience is important. But, I think that many who are experienced and later going back for the certs (like myself) will find that they are filling in gaps of information that they otherwise will not have learned. So, yes, it does reinforce what you know, but it also enchances your knowledge base as well. Mike's analogy was right on. >I beg to differ, Mike. Certifications are NOT a learning tool.
>Certifications are to REINFORCE one's experience and knowledge of the >systems, or equipment that they're working on. When you make a statement >like that, you're opening up the field for everyone and anyone that wants >to LEARN about IT to just take a chance at learning it. When that is the >case, most people choose to learn the wrong way. People that have not >invested, into the industry, a significant amount of time, prior to >investigating certifications, tend to not care if they degrade those >certifications. They more often than not go straight for the braindumps and >don't care if their certifications are worth anything. > > Some useful links: > > Home: http://www.CertGuard.com > Forums: http://www.CertGuard.com/forums/ > Articles: http://www.CertGuard.com/articles.asp > Braindumps: http://www.CertGuard.com/braindumps.asp > Practice Test Providers: http://www.CertGuard.com/reviews.asp > Study Materials and Books: http://www.CertGuard.com/store.asp > Vendor Links and Emails: http://www.CertGuard.com/links.asp > CertGear: http://www.cafepress.com/certguard > > > -- > CertGuard > > >>
>> It should be noted that a certification is a good way to learn, and is >> primarily a way to enhance existing experience. One should not depend >> on certifications as the sole marker of one's abilities if one wishes >> to gain meaningful employment. You have to gain experience from the >> bottom up, like in any other industry (think of how a lawyer >> progresses to being a senior partner; they start as an associate >> working 80 hour weeks, and work their way up) >> | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
> if I decide to take CCNA and try to get a job based only on that cert.
> I have to point out that I do not have any registered experience.
>
> Thank You.
>
>
> PS. I`m 28y old, is it possible that professional reorientation at this
> age is too late, in this sector more exact?
>