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Posted by Hansang Bae on December 8, 2005, 10:20 pm
Please log in for more thread options I'm glad to hear that you've stayed away from the Kool-aid! :) > First - your thoughts on the key ingredients to the successful future
> of a network engineer (not a guy bucking for management, but someone > who loves and has passion for network tech as a whole), and... Very simple. Learn the technology inside and out. Learn it to learn it. Not to pass a test. For example, you don't have to read "Inside Cisco IOS Software Architecture" to pass any Cisco exams. But it's a good book to read because it goes into the depths of some obscure topics (although it's -the book is- showing its age). Alex Zinin's book is another good example. Here's the difference between an engineer and a tech. It boils down to one more layer of abstraction. A tech will know that that a default gateway is always represented as 0.0.0.0 with a netmask of 0.0.0.0. An engineer will know exactly why it's referenced that way. A tech will know how to read "sho ip ospf neigh" An engineer will know how to use the OSPF database to troubleshoot a problem. Or what problems may lead to what issues during the OSPF process (of coming up/forming an adjacency). Know so much that you become the "GOTO guy" in your office. A tech may keep typing commands until it works and then will walk away (knob turning) but an engineer will go directly to the (most likely) source of the problem. > Second - the importance of certifications relating to the above.
google my posts on this topic. I haven't wavered. Experience is good. Experience with certification is almost always better. When you build up a relationship, no one will care that you have XYZ cert. But having that XYZ cert may land you one more client so why not? Of course, if your business is booming, it becomes a matter of diminishing returns. You're already overbooked with clients so why bother? > We have all heard ad-nausium the arguments, pro and con, for certs.
> However, your charge that Cisco is becoming watered down is pretty > bold, considering the lengths their willing to go to in order to > preserve the marketability of the test. When they removed some key aspects of CCIE exam, I knew they were on the decline. When they don't think about using relative scoring to pass candidates, they don't care about certifying top notch people. By that I mean, pass the top X percent of the people who took the exam that month. We already do that for admission to college do we not? Or do what PEs and CPAs do. Even after you pass the exam, you have to be sponsored for one/two years. > I understand the concept of
> certification marketing, however, there's got to be more value than > simply giving a customer warm-fuzzies. You forgot to expand on that sentence. Giving customers warm and fuzzies so the resellers can make money. > I guess that if that's what it
> takes to make a buck, then most business types would say the means > justify the ends. I, however, don't wish to spend limited time and > funds on something that has a historical context of failure. Other's > claim education (more degrees) are the key. Some claim all of the > above. Some claim that a network engineer should consider themselves > a relic, go get an MBA, and stop leaching off of society. A good degree is more important than any cert. A degree with certs is better. A degree with certs and experience can be the differentiator. It sure sounds like you're on the right track though. Reading your posts, it sounds like you know what you want. -- hsb "Somehow I imagined this experience would be more rewarding" Calvin **************************ROT13 MY ADDRESS************************* Due to the volume of email that I receive, I may not be able to reply to emails sent to my account. Please post a followup instead. ******************************************************************** | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Posted by Hansang Bae on December 7, 2005, 10:29 pm
Please log in for more thread options > Hansang Bae wrote:
> > That a lot of companies care about these days. Joke or not, it it
> > helps one get a job, I say "why not?" slim wrote: > Don't you think that is a very dangerous approach, especially when it
> comes to issues of infosec? It would seem that having a sense of > "uneasiness" or comprehending a lack of knowledge is much better than > being lulled into a false sense of security proficiency. I'd think > those who believe they are knowledgeable when in fact they're > potentially incompetent are the ones that will take a company down or > cause it to make the headlines! You're assuming the person is incompetent. I'm arguing that if you know your stuff, get the stupid cert to help you land a job. Almost all certifications are stupid by design. Certs try to boil down what the company and resellers think is important and will dish it up in an exam. No certification - non military ones anyway :) - is immune from this. -- hsb "Somehow I imagined this experience would be more rewarding" Calvin **************************ROT13 MY ADDRESS************************* Due to the volume of email that I receive, I may not be able to reply to emails sent to my account. Please post a followup instead. ******************************************************************** | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
> statement. Not that I've drank too much of the Cisco Kool-Aid, but
> having invested a fair amount of my own money and time into Cisco
> certs and being at a small crossroads in my networking career, I'd
> like to know your observations on a couple of things: