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Posted by ps56k on January 3, 2009, 1:21 pm
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yeah - we have warning labels on everything,
and lawyers just waiting at the gate....
My son & I find it humerous to read some of the warning labels
on just every day things - look at ALL the labels pasted on a plain
extension cord :)
seaweedsl wrote:
> Very good. This extended dialogue about insurance and such is
> probably useful for others....
>
> [Philosophy/Rant warning]: but personally, I have never had to live
> or work in an insured environment, thank God. My father is an
> insurance agent, but I consider most insurance (including health) to
> be a cure worse than the disease, both on a society-wide basis and
> personally, unless you are one of those ugly people who game the
> system at the expense of others.
>
> Anyway, I am able to deal with reality and not worry about insurance
> and litigious society. My own home in the US is an old adobe with a
> metal roof (all new wiring installed illegally by me) so they never
> would insure it anyway, even if I wanted. I'm self-insured and like it
> that way. I try to do things practically correct more than literally.
>
> As far as safety, living in a developing country (Mexico) one sees
> both how useful (at times) and how ridiculously anal (other times) the
> hyper-safe US mentality can be. I'm not advocating it, but here,
> people wire things up with open connections, no tape, no wire nuts, no
> boxes, and it still works ! OK, they do usually have boxes and tape
> on connections , but sometimes not- and bare wires are common
> enough. For whatever reason, death or injury by shock does not
> appear to be at a detectable level compared to, say, crime or car
> wrecks etc. I've never heard of an electrical injury in this area,
> but vehicle accidents are announced daily . I suspect that living in
> a self-responsible society helps people develop awareness of hazards,
> although rank stupidity is hardly in short supply here either !
> __________________________________
>
> In my case, I am considering running an ac extension in a conduit with
> the Cat5e for powering an AP on a pole. Too far to extend the DC
> side of the wall wart. Nobody will ever be anywhere near this
> plastic conduit and the likeliness of having both the hot and ethernet
> insulations fail in the exact same point and touch and then have
> another failure at the connector end such that anybody would touch
> that is very, very high. More likely to get snake bit standing
> there !
>
> Though now that I've decided to deploy an old Linksys V4 in this spot,
> I'm seeing that for $20 I can get a power injector/splitter kit. I
> wonder if the 12 v power supply will handle 120 feet. I remember Jeff
> pointing out that they are quite robust and can take a huge drop in
> voltage...
>
> Let's see, I send 12v * 1A over 120' of 23 ga wire? 5 volts, it
> appears. But doesn't POE use a pair for each side, so two 23 ga is
> what, like 18 ga? If so, then 1.5 volts... the linksys could handle
> it ?
>
> Steve
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Posted by John Dulak on January 3, 2009, 4:03 pm
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ps56k wrote:
> yeah - we have warning labels on everything,
> and lawyers just waiting at the gate....
>
> My son & I find it humerous to read some of the warning labels
> on just every day things - look at ALL the labels pasted on a plain
> extension cord :)
ps56k:
You're not the only one to get a chuckle out of Warning Lables.
http://www.physics.uwo.ca/~harwood/humor14.html
John
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> probably useful for others....
>
> [Philosophy/Rant warning]: but personally, I have never had to live
> or work in an insured environment, thank God. My father is an
> insurance agent, but I consider most insurance (including health) to
> be a cure worse than the disease, both on a society-wide basis and
> personally, unless you are one of those ugly people who game the
> system at the expense of others.
>
> Anyway, I am able to deal with reality and not worry about insurance
> and litigious society. My own home in the US is an old adobe with a
> metal roof (all new wiring installed illegally by me) so they never
> would insure it anyway, even if I wanted. I'm self-insured and like it
> that way. I try to do things practically correct more than literally.
>
> As far as safety, living in a developing country (Mexico) one sees
> both how useful (at times) and how ridiculously anal (other times) the
> hyper-safe US mentality can be. I'm not advocating it, but here,
> people wire things up with open connections, no tape, no wire nuts, no
> boxes, and it still works ! OK, they do usually have boxes and tape
> on connections , but sometimes not- and bare wires are common
> enough. For whatever reason, death or injury by shock does not
> appear to be at a detectable level compared to, say, crime or car
> wrecks etc. I've never heard of an electrical injury in this area,
> but vehicle accidents are announced daily . I suspect that living in
> a self-responsible society helps people develop awareness of hazards,
> although rank stupidity is hardly in short supply here either !
> __________________________________
>
> In my case, I am considering running an ac extension in a conduit with
> the Cat5e for powering an AP on a pole. Too far to extend the DC
> side of the wall wart. Nobody will ever be anywhere near this
> plastic conduit and the likeliness of having both the hot and ethernet
> insulations fail in the exact same point and touch and then have
> another failure at the connector end such that anybody would touch
> that is very, very high. More likely to get snake bit standing
> there !
>
> Though now that I've decided to deploy an old Linksys V4 in this spot,
> I'm seeing that for $20 I can get a power injector/splitter kit. I
> wonder if the 12 v power supply will handle 120 feet. I remember Jeff
> pointing out that they are quite robust and can take a huge drop in
> voltage...
>
> Let's see, I send 12v * 1A over 120' of 23 ga wire? 5 volts, it
> appears. But doesn't POE use a pair for each side, so two 23 ga is
> what, like 18 ga? If so, then 1.5 volts... the linksys could handle
> it ?
>
> Steve