LAN and Telecom Cabling Phone + Network on 1 CAT5 cable?

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Phone + Network on 1 CAT5 cable? Jeremy Worrells 01-18-07
Posted by Al Dykes on February 10, 2007, 7:02 pm
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>chris_at_asn-inc_dot_com@foo.com (cablegooch) writes:
>>The only way too future proof your home is with fiber optics inside the
>>house...
>
>Oh?
>


I say the best "Future proofing" is to plan neat locations for enough
radio APs to give 5 bar coverage all over the house and appropriate
outdoor locations such as pool-side.

Pull a fibre and a CAT5e/6 cable to each AP location, even if you
don't need an AP there yet. PoE will make putting one in, when
needed, trivial.

Right now you can get WiFI "b" speeds, but as I understand it, radio
speeds much faster than that are in the works. You might go through
several generations of APs over the years, but swaping an AP is easy
and you don't have to swap them all at once.

The above is on top of whatever copper or fibre you think you will
need, already.



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Posted by golgot1 on February 11, 2007, 5:25 am
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I'll agree that the best for the future is to make sure that you can
pull new
cables in the future.
couple of note:
1- the ONLY future proof solution is singlemode fiber. However, due to
the price
of the network card to go with it, I doubt that anyone would
want to use it to
the outlet.
2- The BEST performance (except for singlemode) today comes from
multimode
fiber: laser optimized. 2000MHz.km bandwidth. This garantees
10G Ethernet today,
and will most likely accept 100G when it comes out
in a few years.
3- If you plan to install fiber, don't forget to add also a copper port
(Cat5e,
Cat6, Cat6a) for the equipment that doesn't work on fiber.
4- Wireless is a very well adapted solution for home use, but don't
forget that
the bandwidth is crap. Ever tried backing up your hard
drive through wifi?

I think what you should first be looking at is your budget.
If it is unlimited, then sure, install absolutely averything discussed
here. But
most likely you'll have a heart attack when you see the price
of this.
Honestly, for home use, I don't see the point of installing anything
better than
Cat6. Just make sure that you have plenty of outlets and
that it is easy to
replace the cables in 10 - 15 years.


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Posted by CablingGuy on February 11, 2007, 10:33 am
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golgot1 skrev:
> I'll agree that the best for the future is to make sure that you can
> pull new cables in the future.

Correct

> couple of note:
> 1- the ONLY future proof solution is singlemode fiber. However, due to
> the price of the network card to go with it, I doubt that anyone would
> want to use it to the outlet.

Disagree, cabled home products will be more and more PoE and PoEP
therefore they need copper.

Many homes run 100 Mbps today,
they will run 1 Gbps in five years
and 10 Gbps in ten years,
in 15 years when you might want to upgrade to 100 Gbps you will have to
upgrade your cabling that is the futureproofing that you can do today.

There are no real products avalible that will allow private home ovners
to use fiber, all connectors avalible would fail due to dust and lack of
cleaning.

Posted by Robert Redelmeier on January 18, 2007, 1:50 pm
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> I will be moving into a new house soon and need some cable
> advice. The house will be wired with home-run CAT5 cables for
> phone. I want to use the unused orange and green pairs for my
> network, keeping the blue pair for phone. Is this advisable?

10baseT was specifically designed to do this,
and it also works for 100baseTX.

> I would be terminating the cables on a 110 block, so the
> distribution to a CAT5 patch panel is no big deal.

110 is the way to go for mixed.

> This is a single story house with full basement, so I have
> access to the cabling. Would it be easier and future-proof
> to run a second cable to each box and separate the network
> and phone?

If you have a choice now, I'd certainly run the second Cat5e to
each outlet. Easier termination (no need for splitter boxes)
and gives some future-proofing for 1000baseT . I don't think
I'd bother with Cat6 for the short runs in a house.

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Posted by Doug McIntyre on January 18, 2007, 1:57 pm
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>I will be moving into a new house soon and need some cable advice. The house
>will be wired with home-run CAT5 cables for phone. I want to use the unused
>orange and green pairs for my network, keeping the blue pair for phone. Is
>this advisable? I have heard reference to doing this before, but wanted the
>opinion of experts.

No, its not advisable. It breaks spec, and you wouldn't be able to run
Gigabit Ethernet off of it at all, since 1000-Base-T uses all 4 pairs.

It should be Cat5e at a minimum, although who knows what the future
will bring, but you should do various forms of Cat6A for 10G if you
really want to future proof.


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