Newbie cat 5e wiring diagram help
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Posted by john smith on May 2, 2006, 4:03 pm
Please log in for more thread options I work with a voluntary organisation who are wishing to put in a new combined cat 5e network with telephone conections via the network. the intention is to have up to 45 wall sockets for computers, printers and telephones leading back to a patch panel. They are going to get a quote from a professional installer but as funds are limited this may be beyond their financial means. I am reasonably competant in wiring telephones but have no experience of a combined network and am prepared to donate my time to do the job. My question is, is there anywhere on line where I can obtain a wiring diagram to show me how to run network cabling. I have seen several colour diagrams which give info on how to connect the 4 pair cable to the back of the outlet socket. The info I need to make sense of what I have managed to find is, can I connect the sockets together as a daisy chain or is it a direct conection from each outlet back to the panel with a complete 4 pair cable to each outlet socket even if I am using a 4 gang would that require four cables back to the panel many thanks Peter ( I have posted this request on another news group) | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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Posted by Joe Perkowski on May 2, 2006, 4:10 pm
Please log in for more thread options Call a professional installer... when you say telephone connection via the network do you mean VoIP? By the time you buy the tools and such to do the job, you really arent saving too much money, plus if you have any problems dont expect a rebate from a professional company to fix your screwups. If you insist on putting in the cable fine, but you should have a cabling contractor terminate all the cables, you will be thanking me in the long run. > to make sense of what I have managed to find is, can I connect the
sockets
> together as a daisy chain or is it a direct conection from each outlet
back
> to the panel with a complete 4 pair cable to each outlet socket even if I
> am > using a 4 gang would that require four cables back to the panel > many thanks > Peter > ( I have posted this request on another news group) > > | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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Posted by DecaturTxCowboy on May 2, 2006, 4:31 pm
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john smith wrote: > I work with a voluntary organisation who are wishing to put in a new
> combined cat 5e network with telephone conections via the network. the > intention is to have up to 45 wall sockets for computers, printers and > telephones leading back to a patch panel.if I > am > using a 4 gang would that require four cables back to the panel 45 locations with 4 jacks each. Thats 180 jacks and cable runs. Figure on $15,000 to $25,000 just for a GENERAL idea. Think what you really really need at each location. You'll need at least one telephone jack and one network jack. Some locations might need a second network jack for a laptop and a few will need a network jack for a networked printer. No, you can't daisy chain anything. You need a separate run for each phone and each network jack. Those 180 jacks and cables could be reduced just over half. Now we're at a more reasonable $8,000 to $13,000. While it might not be your best bet (the best being a professional installer to do it), you might consider a pro to install the essential things you need, watch what he does, pay him to teach you, and do the rest yourself. But in all honesty, I really don't think that's a good route to go. Or perhaps talk a pro into doing it for a charitable write off. You supply the grunt labor and material (around $1,800 for jacks and non-plenum cables). | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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Posted by john smith on May 2, 2006, 10:51 pm
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> john smith wrote:
> > I work with a voluntary organisation who are wishing to put in a new
> > combined cat 5e network with telephone conections via the network. the > > intention is to have up to 45 wall sockets for computers, printers and > > telephones leading back to a patch panel.if I > > am > > using a 4 gang would that require four cables back to the panel >
> 45 locations with 4 jacks each. Thats 180 jacks and cable runs. Figure > on $15,000 to $25,000 just for a GENERAL idea. > > Think what you really really need at each location. You'll need at least > one telephone jack and one network jack. Some locations might need a > second network jack for a laptop and a few will need a network jack for > a networked printer. No, you can't daisy chain anything. You need a > separate run for each phone and each network jack. > > Those 180 jacks and cables could be reduced just over half. Now we're at > a more reasonable $8,000 to $13,000. > > While it might not be your best bet (the best being a professional > installer to do it), you might consider a pro to install the essential > things you need, watch what he does, pay him to teach you, and do the > rest yourself. But in all honesty, I really don't think that's a good > route to go. > > Or perhaps talk a pro into doing it for a charitable write off. You > supply the grunt labor and material (around $1,800 for jacks and > non-plenum cables). > I like the idea of paying the professional and watching what he does. The
first time I got involved in any major electrical wiring, a professional
supplied me with drums of cable which I put in place then he came along later and made the connections while I watched. Saved a lot of money in labour costs. Depending on the quote for a complete install, that idea has a lot of attractions. many thanks to those who have given me the benefit of their experience and knowledge. regards Peter | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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Posted by Carl Navarro on May 2, 2006, 9:35 pm
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On Tue, 2 May 2006 21:03:38 +0100, "john smith" >I work with a voluntary organisation who are wishing to put in a new
>combined cat 5e network with telephone conections via the network. the >intention is to have up to 45 wall sockets for computers, printers and >telephones leading back to a patch panel. They are going to get a quote >from a professional installer but as funds are limited this may be >beyond their financial means. I am reasonably competant in wiring >telephones but have no experience of a combined network and am prepared >to donate my time to do the job. My question is, is there anywhere on >line where I can obtain a wiring diagram to show me how to run network >cabling Maybe. Do you have different standards? Here each data jack is a home run and voice jacks could be split, if you don't have to terminate them on a patch panel. The last "I gotta have a patch" panel job terminated the house cable on 110 blocks for high density, and we then used cross connects to the PBX and the house cable so he could use Cat5e patch cables (3' green ones to be exact) to patch each extension to a house jack. Now he does all his own MoveAddChange work by moving the patch cord. We picked up the 96 port Cat FIVE panel for about $50 on eBay. I think the two wall mount frames cost more the the two patch panels :-) Of course the thing to keep in mind as you spin this cable is that once you get into the flow, "cable is cheap". It's easier to spin extra cables all at once than go back and run a few more. Maybe someone from your side will have a web site for us to see. Carl Navarro . I have seen several colour diagrams which give info on how to >connect the 4 pair cable to the back of the outlet socket. The info I need
> to make sense of what I have managed to find is, can I connect the sockets > together as a daisy chain or is it a direct conection from each outlet back > to the panel with a complete 4 pair cable to each outlet socket even if I >am >using a 4 gang would that require four cables back to the panel >many thanks >Peter >( I have posted this request on another news group) > | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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> combined cat 5e network with telephone conections via the network. the
> intention is to have up to 45 wall sockets for computers, printers and
> telephones leading back to a patch panel. They are going to get a quote
> from a professional installer but as funds are limited this may be
> beyond their financial means. I am reasonably competant in wiring
> telephones but have no experience of a combined network and am prepared
> to donate my time to do the job. My question is, is there anywhere on
> line where I can obtain a wiring diagram to show me how to run network
> cabling. I have seen several colour diagrams which give info on how to
> connect the 4 pair cable to the back of the outlet socket. The info I