Need some pointers on my first cabling job
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Posted by Ned on March 25, 2008, 7:39 am
Please log in for more thread options quotes of $500-700 for this work which I can do for under $200 on my own and still make some money on the markup to my client. I would appreciate recommendations on the following: Surface mount wall plates to accomodate 4 drops on a single plate. Quality raceway to accomodate 4 drops from ceiling to near groung level (8 feet) RJ45 cat 5e Connectors Plenum cable (500') Cat5e For anyone interested in bidding on this here are the details. I have to install 4 drops in a medical office, all drops terminate at a single location. The distance, with turns and bends is 92 feet from point A to point B (not counting ceiling to floor) The ceiling is dropped but there is a section that crosses the hallway into a large storage closet so I am thinking that it it safer to use plenum. There is no drilling to do, all rooms have holes connecting them. There is an existing patch panel with 4 free RJ45 receptacles, just needs to be punched down. That's it. thanks | |||||||||||||||||||
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Posted by Carl Navarro on March 25, 2008, 8:47 am
Please log in for more thread options With any luck, this will be your first and last cable job. Go on down to Home Dumpo and get the parts and put them in. If your looking for confirmation that it will work, I'll confirm it. It will work. If you're looking for praise or a blessing, you lose. Why would anyone in his right mind want to "bid" your job on the internet....you already said you have bids. Plenum has nothing to do iwth the hallway, Quality and Raceway don't belong in the same sentence, and amateur hour doesn't get it for professional jobs. Carl | |||||||||||||||||||
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Posted by Ned on March 25, 2008, 9:37 am
Please log in for more thread options > wrote:
> > > > > > >I do not usually do cabling but times are tough and I have gotten
> >quotes of $500-700 for this work which I can do for under $200 on my > >own and still make some money on the markup to my client. I would > >appreciate recommendations on the following: >
> >Surface mount wall plates to accomodate 4 drops on a single plate.
> >Quality raceway to accomodate 4 drops from ceiling to near groung > >level (8 feet) > >RJ45 cat 5e Connectors > >Plenum cable (500') Cat5e >
> >For anyone interested in bidding on this here are the details.
> >I have to install 4 drops in a medical office, all drops terminate at > >a single location. > >The distance, with turns and bends is 92 feet from point A to point B > >(not counting ceiling to floor) > >The ceiling is dropped but there is a section that crosses the hallway > >into a large storage closet so I am thinking that it it safer to use > >plenum. > >There is no drilling to do, all rooms have holes connecting them. > >There is an existing patch panel with 4 free RJ45 receptacles, just > >needs to be punched down. >
> With any luck, this will be your first and last cable job. =A0 > > Go on down to Home Dumpo and get the parts and put them in. =A0If your > looking for confirmation that it will work, I'll confirm it. =A0It will > work. =A0If you're looking for praise or a blessing, you lose. =A0 > > Why would anyone in his right mind want to "bid" your job on the > internet....you already said you have bids. =A0Plenum has nothing to do > iwth the hallway, Quality and Raceway don't belong in the same > sentence, and amateur hour doesn't get it for professional jobs. > > Carl- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Not sure what your issue is Carl, but apparently you were angry enough to cough up a few useless paragraphs which did nothing for either of us or anyone reading this, except to perhaps allow you to vent. I have seen my share of cabling guys, usually poorly paid and unskilled, pulling cable and terminating drops and basically doing a very sloppy job and making a mess of things, and this from large cabling companies. I have over 20 years of IT experience and I have punched down and terminated my share of cable. In a complex environment I could see the need for someone with a good deal of experience, but with a simple job like this I fail to see exactly what you would be able to do any better than me. I can get recommendations for supplies from any reputable vendor (Panduit, etc.) and taking the safe route and possibly using Plenum even if it is not needed on such a small job does not hurt the project. So what's your point Mr. Navarro? | |||||||||||||||||||
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Posted by Carl Navarro on March 25, 2008, 11:34 pm
Please log in for more thread options wrote:
>> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >I do not usually do cabling but times are tough and I have gotten
>> >quotes of $500-700 for this work which I can do for under $200 on my >> >own and still make some money on the markup to my client. I would >> >appreciate recommendations on the following: >>
>> >Surface mount wall plates to accomodate 4 drops on a single plate.
>> >Quality raceway to accomodate 4 drops from ceiling to near groung >> >level (8 feet) >> >RJ45 cat 5e Connectors >> >Plenum cable (500') Cat5e >>
>> >For anyone interested in bidding on this here are the details.
>> >I have to install 4 drops in a medical office, all drops terminate at >> >a single location. >> >The distance, with turns and bends is 92 feet from point A to point B >> >(not counting ceiling to floor) >> >The ceiling is dropped but there is a section that crosses the hallway >> >into a large storage closet so I am thinking that it it safer to use >> >plenum. >> >There is no drilling to do, all rooms have holes connecting them. >> >There is an existing patch panel with 4 free RJ45 receptacles, just >> >needs to be punched down. >>
>> With any luck, this will be your first and last cable job. >> >> Go on down to Home Dumpo and get the parts and put them in. If your >> looking for confirmation that it will work, I'll confirm it. It will >> work. If you're looking for praise or a blessing, you lose. >> >> Why would anyone in his right mind want to "bid" your job on the >> internet....you already said you have bids. Plenum has nothing to do >> iwth the hallway, Quality and Raceway don't belong in the same >> sentence, and amateur hour doesn't get it for professional jobs. >> >> Carl- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - >
>Not sure what your issue is Carl, but apparently you were angry enough >to cough up a few useless paragraphs which did nothing for either of >us or anyone reading this, except to perhaps allow you to vent. I have >seen my share of cabling guys, usually poorly paid and unskilled, >pulling cable and terminating drops and basically doing a very sloppy >job and making a mess of things, and this from large cabling >companies. I have over 20 years of IT experience and I have punched >down and terminated my share of cable. In a complex environment I >could see the need for someone with a good deal of experience, but >with a simple job like this I fail to see exactly what you would be >able to do any better than me. I can get recommendations for supplies >from any reputable vendor (Panduit, etc.) and taking the safe route >and possibly using Plenum even if it is not needed on such a small job >does not hurt the project. So what's your point Mr. Navarro? If you're that good, then why did you ask? Structured cabling isn't rocket science, but it is hardly a do it yourself project when you ask the questions you asked. Is the rest of the cabling done in surface mount raceway? If it is, then have at it. I'm guessing it's not, because the raceway would be large enough to run extra cables in it now. If it is not, why do you want to do yours in raceway? A professional, or a good amateur, figures out how the cable is fished and does the same. That's the only point. Yes, Home Depot has Leviton jacks and I've been a Leviton house for at least 10 years. Now you have a brand name, visit the Leviton web site and you'll find all the product line for keystones and faceplates. Your 500 feet of Plenum is going to cost you in the neighborhood of $100, but what tyype of cable is in the space now? Are the ceilings plenum? What is the local code or practice? That's really the answer as to what type of cable you use. You can't go wrong using Plenum over PVC and in a 500 foot job the price difference is not significant, but knowing the difference could put another $50 in your pocket. Outside of that, I have no problem. Take pictues and send them along if you're proud of the final result. Carl | |||||||||||||||||||
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Posted by Robert Redelmeier on March 26, 2008, 12:39 pm
Please log in for more thread options > Not sure what your issue is Carl, but apparently you were
Carl has answered for himself, but you bring up a more general issue: > I have seen my share of cabling guys, usually poorly paid and
> unskilled, pulling cable and terminating drops and basically > doing a very sloppy job and making a mess of things, and this > from large cabling companies. Electrical or data? There is a huge difference, and there is also a huge difference in the quality of supervision. The same sorts of semi-skilled labor are frequently used to keep costs down. That sort of specialization has been going on since before Henry Ford's assembly line and is essential to improving standards of living for all. The important differentiator is the instructions and supervision given to the labor. With the right company/supervisor, the guys won't over pull cable, will route and support it correctly. Greater skillsets are needed for termination. The question for DIY is not whether you have better skills than the labor you've seen. The real question is whether you know enough for the job (as much as a proper supervisor). Maybe, and maybe not. There are many gotchas. -- Robert | |||||||||||||||||||
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>quotes of $500-700 for this work which I can do for under $200 on my
>own and still make some money on the markup to my client. I would
>appreciate recommendations on the following:
>
>Surface mount wall plates to accomodate 4 drops on a single plate.
>Quality raceway to accomodate 4 drops from ceiling to near groung
>level (8 feet)
>RJ45 cat 5e Connectors
>Plenum cable (500') Cat5e
>
>For anyone interested in bidding on this here are the details.
>I have to install 4 drops in a medical office, all drops terminate at
>a single location.
>The distance, with turns and bends is 92 feet from point A to point B
>(not counting ceiling to floor)
>The ceiling is dropped but there is a section that crosses the hallway
>into a large storage closet so I am thinking that it it safer to use
>plenum.
>There is no drilling to do, all rooms have holes connecting them.
>There is an existing patch panel with 4 free RJ45 receptacles, just
>needs to be punched down.