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Posted by Watson A.Name - \"Watt Sun, th on January 30, 2005, 9:49 am
Please log in for more thread options > > No gold for me - I get paid by the hour, and I'm already booked
solid.
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> Can't brag about overbooking myself, so any additional opportunity is > welcomed. > > > The problem I see with some of this is that the ceilings often have
move
> > cabling that's in contact with the asbestos fireproofing so if you > > it, you have to practice asbestos abatement procedures. Right now,
the
> > maintenance people and I are not allowed to do work in some bldgs
old
> > because of this. And some of our bldgs have literally tons of the > > 25 pair IW cable from the old key phone systems that were abandoned
in
> > the late '80s. I would really like to remove that stuff, but with
the
> > asbestos..
>
can
> Thanks for the insight. I did not think of that before. I guess, you > always cut them flush with the firestop device. Otherwise you'd have
to
> worry about re-firestopping, so just cutting the cables at this point
> sounds logical to me (unless disapproved by the firestop device > manufacturer) Firestop? I don't think the telcos knew what a firestop was back then. And all that IW is not plenum, and it's in a bldg that has a plenum ceiling. :-( > > Exhumed? I think that's when you dig a dead and buried body up for
> > forensic examination. >
> Emit? Give off? Well, you get the idea ;-) > > Thanks! > > -- > Dmitri Abaimov, RCDD > http://www.cabling-design.com > Cabling Forum, color codes, pinouts and other useful resources for > premises cabling users and pros > http://www.cabling-design.com/homecabling > Residential Cabling Guide > ------------------------------------- > > > ##-----------------------------------------------## > Article posted with Cabling-Design.com Newsgroup Archive > http://www.cabling-design.com/forums > no-spam read and post WWW interface to your favorite newsgroup - > comp.dcom.cabling - 1139 messages and counting! > ##-----------------------------------------------## | ||||
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Posted by Perkowski on January 28, 2005, 3:07 pm
Please log in for more thread options > Hello everyone!
Honestly, the only way anybody is going to make money pulling cable out
> > The year is 2005, and the new National Electrical Code is officially out, > and the 2002 edition moved up the ladder into field use. So, it is now > really-really required to remove those abandoned cables (or tag them "for > future use"). Has anyone been successful in selling this idea to the > customers? I personally have nothing to brag about except for some small > jobs. One of the problems I'm been able to identify so far is: how do you > price it with so many unknowns? The second major one is: who's gonna pay? > Landlord? Tenant that's moving out? > > Anyways, if someone has any success stories to post here, please do. Looks > like a potential business opportunity, if approached correctly. Let's > think together about what works and what does not. > > Thanks! > is by paying off the local town electrical inspector to go to the site and tell the customer it has to come out. Until that happens I dont think its a large market for now. | ||||
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Posted by Dmitri(Cabling-Design.com on January 31, 2005, 6:04 pm
Please log in for more thread options Perkowski wrote:
>> Honestly, the only way anybody is going to make money pulling cable out
> is by paying off the local town electrical inspector to go to the site
> and tell the customer it has to come out. Until that happens I dont > think its a large market for now. Well, you don't have to pay him (on top of whatever local taxes you pay) to tell you to keep all your ceiling tiles closed. So, why would you pay him to tell you about another fire hazard? But I think that his education is important. He's not going to demand it if he has no idea about this "novel" concept. -- Dmitri Abaimov, RCDD http://www.cabling-design.com Cabling Forum, color codes, pinouts and other useful resources for premises cabling users and pros http://www.cabling-design.com/homecabling Residential Cabling Guide ------------------------------------- ##-----------------------------------------------## Article posted with Cabling-Design.com Newsgroup Archive http://www.cabling-design.com/forums no-spam read and post WWW interface to your favorite newsgroup - comp.dcom.cabling - 1172 messages and counting! ##-----------------------------------------------## | ||||
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Posted by Perkowski on February 1, 2005, 6:13 am
Please log in for more thread options Dmitri(Cabling-Design.com) wrote:
> Perkowski wrote:
> > >>>Honestly, the only way anybody is going to make money pulling cable out
>
> >>is by paying off the local town electrical inspector to go to the site
>>and tell the customer it has to come out. Until that happens I dont >>think its a large market for now. >
Dmitri,
> > Well, you don't have to pay him (on top of whatever local taxes you pay) > to tell you to keep all your ceiling tiles closed. So, why would you pay > him to tell you about another fire hazard? But I think that his education > is important. He's not going to demand it if he has no idea about this > "novel" concept. > > Until the electrical inspector starts to bring a ladder to check out the air spaces and what not, I personally think its a shot in the dark to get steady cable removal business. I know of one company, where we put Cat 6 in that wanted to old stuff removed, and that was for asthetic reasons, not because of any hazards. Then again, I dont go out there and push enough either. Joe Perkowski | ||||
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Posted by The OTHER Kevin in San Diego on January 19, 2006, 12:40 pm
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On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:20:13 GMT, info_at_cabling-design_dot_com@foo.com (Dmitri(Cabling-Design.com)) wrote: >Hello everyone!
> >The year is 2005, and the new National Electrical Code is officially out, >and the 2002 edition moved up the ladder into field use. So, it is now >really-really required to remove those abandoned cables (or tag them "for >future use"). Has anyone been successful in selling this idea to the >customers? I personally have nothing to brag about except for some small >jobs. One of the problems I'm been able to identify so far is: how do you >price it with so many unknowns? The second major one is: who's gonna pay? >Landlord? Tenant that's moving out? > >Anyways, if someone has any success stories to post here, please do. Looks >like a potential business opportunity, if approached correctly. Let's >think together about what works and what does not. > >Thanks! While I was still cabling, we'd always remove the old stuff we couldn't use when doing work for new tenants. 9 times out of 10 we'd get the landlord to pay for this portion of the work. Price wise we'd just charge time and materials + 10-15% Worst job we ever did was removing all unused cables in a 250,000 square foot, 5 story building. Took 4 of us nearly 2 weeks and netted nearly 2 tons of old telephone cable, mostly 2 pair. Removing the cable from the riser facilities was a bitch and most cables had to be removed one at a time, one floor at a time. The angle we took with the landlord was in pointing out the riser facilites - 2 4-inch conduits with pull boxes at each floor's telco closet - were maxed out and the majority of the cable was unused and of almost no future value. As a "bonus", the landlord has us pull 100 pair feeders from the MPOE to each telco closet once the old stuff was removed. Good job all in all, but a real PITA to get done. I have no idea how I'd bid a nightmare like that.. If memory serves, the total removal job was around $15k and about $5k to do the feeders. | ||||
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