Fiber to the home - What are the standards ?
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Posted by Al Dykes on February 25, 2005, 8:26 pm
Please log in for more thread options I'm in suburban Verizon country and there are Verizon trucks all over the area these days. I asked one of the guys what's going on and they said they are pulling fiber. After we parted I began to think about it. I've heard of people in the area getting a multi-MB/sec residential fiber connection for about $50/month, real soon now. Does that sound right ? Are they really going to pull fiber to every house ? Do they do it all at once or just on new construction and/or when an exist house buys the new service ? What does the dmarc look like and what do they do with my POTS phone ? I'd guess they put in a black box with RJ11 for POTS and RJ45 for ethernet (served as PPPoE). Do they need 120VAC power ? Any other insights are appreciated. -- a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m Don't blame me. I voted for Gore. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Posted by John P. Dearing on February 26, 2005, 4:47 am
Please log in for more thread options Al Dykes wrote: Yep, the service is called FiOS. Three packages, 5/2 15/2 and 30/15? Those are the Mbps down/up. The first (5/2) is $39.95 here is PA. the second is about $50 and the third is something like $200/month. > Are they really going to pull fiber to every house ? Do they do it
> all at once or just on new construction and/or when an exist > house buys the new service ? Yep, fiber to every house, all the way *to* the house. Large areas of a central office wire center will be done at a time. Once activated, customers will be notified they can sugn up. Initial targets are existing ADSL customers. > What does the dmarc look like and what do they do with my POTS phone ?
The box looks pretty much like a NID just twice as big. 8-( The box, called an ONT (Optical Network Terminal) comes in several configurations but the most common has 4 POTS ports, an RJ45 ethernet port and a coax connector. Your existing dialtone is swung over to the POTS ports, a Cat-5 run to the router and then a short setup procedure to authenticate you on the new FiOS network. > I'd guess they put in a black box with RJ11 for POTS and RJ45 for
> ethernet (served as PPPoE). Do they need 120VAC power ? Yes, the ONT needs power. A cable is run inside and a small charger is plugged into a 120v outlet. This keeps the internal battery charged. As I hear it, the first battery is "on Verizon" but subsequent batteries are "on you". A properly functioning battery can supply up to 8 hours of run time for POTS. I'm in Langhorne PA and the conduit work has started. Doylestown PA is already "live" and customers are signing up. I'm told that Langhorne will go live the end of this year or early 2006. I can't wait. John -- John P. Dearing A+, Network+, Server+ To reply: Just drop "YOURPANTS" in my address! 8-) | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Posted by David Lesher on February 27, 2005, 8:11 am
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>> Are they really going to pull fiber to every house ? Do they do it
>> all at once or just on new construction and/or when an exist >> house buys the new service ? >Yep, fiber to every house, all the way *to* the house.
But one strand, not two, from what I was told...It's one large passive optival network... [ergo: no amps etc in the field.] >> What does the dmarc look like and what do they do with my POTS phone ?
>The box looks pretty much like a NID just twice as big. 8-(
>Your existing dialtone is swung over to the POTS ports, a Cat-5 run to
>the router and then a short setup procedure to authenticate you on the >new FiOS network. If you opt for POTS over fiber. A friend has the service & decided to keep his POTS on the copper, at least for now. >Yes, the ONT needs power. A cable is run inside and a small charger is
>plugged into a 120v outlet. This keeps the internal battery charged. As >I hear it, the first battery is "on Verizon" but subsequent batteries >are "on you". A properly functioning battery can supply up to 8 hours of >run time for POTS. Interesting trivia point..thanks. Guess Ma does not want to be rolling trucks to replace batteries. Also note that the ToS forbids all servers: http://www.verizon.net/policies/vzcom/tos_popup.asp 3.6 If you subscribe to Broadband Service: * You may not resell the Broadband Service, use it for high volume purposes, or engage in similar activities that constitute resale (commercial or non-commercial), as determined solely by Verizon. * You may connect multiple computers/devices within a single home or office location to your Broadband modem and/or router to access the Service, but only through a single Broadband account and a single IP address obtained from Verizon. * Where available, Broadband customers may use their Broadband accounts to connect through an analog connection, but these connections will be subject to usage thresholds and additional per hour and monthly charges, depending on the Service to which you subscribed. * Additional User IDs provided for Broadband customers' email boxes are not intended for use as dial-up connections. Any usage associated with additional email box User IDs will be charged the per hour rate associated with usage above the monthly allotment for analog Dial-up Service (where available). The number of mailboxes available to you depends upon the Service to which you have subscribed. * You may not use the Broadband Service to host any type of server personal or commercial in nature. So no matter what upstream bandwidth you get, don't try to use it... -- A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Posted by jtodd5 dot 1 on February 28, 2005, 11:35 am
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>>Yes, the ONT needs power. A cable is run inside and a small charger is
>>plugged into a 120v outlet. This keeps the internal battery charged. As >>I hear it, the first battery is "on Verizon" but subsequent batteries >>are "on you". A properly functioning battery can supply up to 8 hours of >>run time for POTS. >
> > Interesting trivia point..thanks. Guess Ma does not want to be rolling trucks > to replace batteries. > > This (power) is one of our biggest hang ups. I'm on a university campus and there are new staff and faculty houses in the plan. It is a 'greenfield' build, and we've decided on Fiber to the Home (FTTH) for the project. And after going through the topology discussion (active, pon, epon, gpon, et. al.) it has been the power solution that remains in question. It's interesting to see Verizons solution, which is sort of what we had figured the phone companies would do. We've toyed with power supplies out in the system and running a hybrid fiber/copper for the drop, and distributing power, then the neighborhood power supplies goes on a generator for back-up. Then there are no batteries to replace. I"m curious though how the "cable is run inside". Is the phone company going to be installing a new 120V circuit on the customers premises? (this doesn't apply to our situation, 'cause we'll have that power built from the beginning). Part of the reason I ask is in reading the instruction manual for the Cisco ONT, their suggestion was running the power cord from the ONT in through a near-by window! | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Posted by David Lesher on February 28, 2005, 11:04 pm
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>I"m curious though how the "cable is run inside". Is the phone company
>going to be installing a new 120V circuit on the customers premises? (this >doesn't apply to our situation, 'cause we'll have that power built from the >beginning). Part of the reason I ask is in reading the instruction manual >for the Cisco ONT, their suggestion was running the power cord from the ONT >in through a near-by window! I'm SURE there is a wallwart inside and low-voltage twisted pair is run back to the box... -- A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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> the area these days. I asked one of the guys what's going on and they
> said they are pulling fiber. After we parted I began to think about
> it. I've heard of people in the area getting a multi-MB/sec
> residential fiber connection for about $50/month, real soon now. Does
> that sound right ?