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I've had comcast digital cable & internet for a year now, and I really love
the fast internet service, but i don't really watch enough tv to want to pay
for hbo and the other channels anymore.  I just want clear local channels to
watch news and sports occasionally.

If I cancel my digital cable but keep my internet with comcast, will the
local channels still come through without the motorola set top box?




Re: basic cable free with comcast internet?
Snoop Drew wrote:
> I've had comcast digital cable & internet for a year now, and I really
love
> the fast internet service, but i don't really watch enough tv to want
to pay
> for hbo and the other channels anymore.  I just want clear local
channels to
> watch news and sports occasionally.
>
> If I cancel my digital cable but keep my internet with comcast, will
the
> local channels still come through without the motorola set top box?


It depends. They may put a filter on your line to block those channels.
If they don't, anything that isn't scrambled, and is on a channel that a
"cable-ready" TV can receive will still be there, and could be watched.
Essentially, in most markets, basic cable. However, if you're not paying
for it, you would be guilty of cable theft, and subject to prosecution.

Here's the interesting thing: If you have cable TV service *and* cable
internet service, you get a discount on the services. In most markets,
the discount is in the same ballpark as how much basic cable costs. In
other words, if you drop cable TV service, the price of your cable
internet service goes up. It goes up about the same amount as the cost
of basic cable. If you simply downgrade to basic cable, you continue to
receive the discount on your cable internet service.

So even if you happen to be the morally bankrupt type of person who is
willing to steal cable, are you the type of person who would risk it for
less than $5 a month? If you get caught, and, let's say your
hypothetical fine is $300, that's 60 months, or 5 years worth of
service. Plus, in addition to any fine, they'll go back and bill you for
the period you were stealing it, and they won't give you a discount on
your cable internet service for the same period. Those are some stakes!
Logically, it makes no sense.

So yeah, you probably could continue to get basic cable without paying
for it, but for a buck or two a month you can get it legally. That's a
pretty good deal.

If you don't pay for it, I'd suggest asking them to put a filter on your
line so there is less opportunity to accuse you of stealing cable TV.
And then don't steal it.

--
Warren H.

==========
Disclaimer: My views reflect those of myself, and not my
employer, my friends, nor (as she often tells me) my wife.
Any resemblance to the views of anybody living or dead is
coincidental. No animals were hurt in the writing of this
response -- unless you count my dog who desperately wants
to go outside now.
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Re: basic cable free with comcast internet?
On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 07:21:20 +0000, Warren wrote:


> It depends. They may put a filter on your line to block those channels.
> If they don't, anything that isn't scrambled, and is on a channel that a
> "cable-ready" TV can receive will still be there, and could be watched.
> Essentially, in most markets, basic cable. However, if you're not paying
> for it, you would be guilty of cable theft, and subject to prosecution.

I asked them about this. Why was I getting basic with Internet, since I
was only interested in Internet? Basically it was "If you're interested in
getting cable, it'll already be there" $10 additional on the bill, went
down. The filter idea is good, for the reasons Warren mentioned. Whatever
you do, ask questions, and get things in writing. CYA is all the rage
these days.

--
-- James Fenimore Cooper
The tendency of democracies is, in all things, to mediocrity, since the tastes,
knowledge, and principles of the majority form the tribunal of appeal.


Re: basic cable free with comcast internet?



....

line to block those channels.
> If they don't, anything that isn't scrambled, and is on a channel that a
> "cable-ready" TV can receive will still be there, and could be watched.
> Essentially, in most markets, basic cable. However, if you're not paying
> for it, you would be guilty of cable theft, and subject to prosecution.


I don't think so; he would have to do something active to cause the theft
before he could be charged; he can't be charged simply because they failed
to turn his service off properly.





Re: basic cable free with comcast internet?


> I don't think so; he would have to do something active to cause the theft
> before he could be charged; he can't be charged simply because they failed
> to turn his service off properly.

wrong




Re: basic cable free with comcast internet?

>
>
> > I don't think so; he would have to do something active to cause the
theft
> > before he could be charged; he can't be charged simply because they
failed
> > to turn his service off properly.
>
> wrong
>
>

Sorry, but we're going to have to disagree; you're not guilty of a crime
because someone else did or did not do something.





Re: basic cable free with comcast internet?


> Sorry, but we're going to have to disagree; you're not guilty of a crime
> because someone else did or did not do something.

your generalization of whats happening is flawed.








Re: basic cable free with comcast internet?
Chip Orange wrote:
>
> Warren wrote:
>>  line to block those channels.
> > If they don't, anything that isn't scrambled, and is on a channel
that a
> > "cable-ready" TV can receive will still be there, and could be
watched.
> > Essentially, in most markets, basic cable. However, if you're not
paying
> > for it, you would be guilty of cable theft, and subject to
prosecution.
>
>
> I don't think so; he would have to do something active to cause the
theft
> before he could be charged; he can't be charged simply because they
failed
> to turn his service off properly.


Connecting the coax to a television when you're not paying for cable TV
*is* actively doing something.

--
Warren H.

==========
Disclaimer: My views reflect those of myself, and not my
employer, my friends, nor (as she often tells me) my wife.
Any resemblance to the views of anybody living or dead is
coincidental. No animals were hurt in the writing of this
response -- unless you count my dog who desperately wants
to go outside now.
     Blatant Plug: Books for the Pacific Northwest gardener:
     http://www.holzemville.com/mall/nwgarden/index.html





Re: basic cable free with comcast internet?

> Chip Orange wrote:
> >
> > Warren wrote:
> >>  line to block those channels.
> > > If they don't, anything that isn't scrambled, and is on a channel
> that a
> > > "cable-ready" TV can receive will still be there, and could be
> watched.
> > > Essentially, in most markets, basic cable. However, if you're not
> paying
> > > for it, you would be guilty of cable theft, and subject to
> prosecution.
> >
> >
> > I don't think so; he would have to do something active to cause the
> theft
> > before he could be charged; he can't be charged simply because they
> failed
> > to turn his service off properly.
>
>
> Connecting the coax to a television when you're not paying for cable TV
> *is* actively doing something.
>
> --
> Warren H.
>
> ==========
> Disclaimer: My views reflect those of myself, and not my
> employer, my friends, nor (as she often tells me) my wife.
> Any resemblance to the views of anybody living or dead is
> coincidental. No animals were hurt in the writing of this
> response -- unless you count my dog who desperately wants
> to go outside now.
>      Blatant Plug: Books for the Pacific Northwest gardener:
>      http://www.holzemville.com/mall/nwgarden/index.html
>
>
>

No, it's not, you own the wiring within your house and are allowed to do
with it what you want, including leaving it connected to your tv; there's no
requirement to phytsically disconnect your tv when you cancel service.





Re: basic cable free with comcast internet?
Chip Orange wrote:
> No, it's not, you own the wiring within your house and are allowed to
do
> with it what you want, including leaving it connected to your tv;
there's no
> requirement to phytsically disconnect your tv when you cancel service.


I'm sure the judge will have a good chuckle when you try to use that as
your defense for stealing cable TV.

At the very least you'll be required to pay for the service you stole,
and it's unlikely that they'll offer you any of the discounts that you
could have had if you did it legally. But if you take it beyond the
negotiation stage, and ask for your day in court based on that argument,
you're probably also going to pay a fine, and the cable company's
expenses for their collection efforts.

That's a awfully expensive chance to take hoping that your fantasy is
more than just a fantasy. Especially since it would have been so
inexpensive to do it legally.

As long as you have the cable drop connected to your inside wiring, the
cable company can exercise control over what you do to it or with it,
regardless of your ownership of the physical cable. Delivering a cable
TV programming to your television set when you're not paying for it is
illegal. So indirectly, physically disconnecting your TV from that cable
would be required as long as it's still connected to that cable drop.

If you'd like to steal cable, go right ahead. But I sure hope there
isn't anyone out there who finds themselves in trouble because they
followed your very bad advice. Do you also go to the home repair
newsgroups and tell people that it's okay to not turn off the power at
the circuit breaker when working on electrical wiring? Are you having
fun thinking about how someone will find out too late how bad your
advice really was?

--
Warren H.

==========
Disclaimer: My views reflect those of myself, and not my
employer, my friends, nor (as she often tells me) my wife.
Any resemblance to the views of anybody living or dead is
coincidental. No animals were hurt in the writing of this
response -- unless you count my dog who desperately wants
to go outside now.
     Blatant Plug: Books for the Pacific Northwest gardener:
     http://www.holzemville.com/mall/nwgarden/index.html





Re: basic cable free with comcast internet?

> Chip Orange wrote:
> > No, it's not, you own the wiring within your house and are allowed to
> do
> > with it what you want, including leaving it connected to your tv;
> there's no
> > requirement to phytsically disconnect your tv when you cancel service.
>
>
> I'm sure the judge will have a good chuckle when you try to use that as
> your defense for stealing cable TV.
>
> At the very least you'll be required to pay for the service you stole,
> and it's unlikely that they'll offer you any of the discounts that you
> could have had if you did it legally. But if you take it beyond the
> negotiation stage, and ask for your day in court based on that argument,
> you're probably also going to pay a fine, and the cable company's
> expenses for their collection efforts.
>
> That's a awfully expensive chance to take hoping that your fantasy is
> more than just a fantasy. Especially since it would have been so
> inexpensive to do it legally.
>
> As long as you have the cable drop connected to your inside wiring, the
> cable company can exercise control over what you do to it or with it,
> regardless of your ownership of the physical cable. Delivering a cable
> TV programming to your television set when you're not paying for it is
> illegal. So indirectly, physically disconnecting your TV from that cable
> would be required as long as it's still connected to that cable drop.
>
> If you'd like to steal cable, go right ahead. But I sure hope there
> isn't anyone out there who finds themselves in trouble because they
> followed your very bad advice. Do you also go to the home repair
> newsgroups and tell people that it's okay to not turn off the power at
> the circuit breaker when working on electrical wiring? Are you having
> fun thinking about how someone will find out too late how bad your
> advice really was?
>
> --
> Warren H.
>
> ==========
> Disclaimer: My views reflect those of myself, and not my
> employer, my friends, nor (as she often tells me) my wife.
> Any resemblance to the views of anybody living or dead is
> coincidental. No animals were hurt in the writing of this
> response -- unless you count my dog who desperately wants
> to go outside now.
>      Blatant Plug: Books for the Pacific Northwest gardener:
>      http://www.holzemville.com/mall/nwgarden/index.html
>
>
>

Warren,

I said we'd disagree not that we'd get into a pissing contest; go be a jerk
somewhere else.





Re: basic cable free with comcast internet?
This is almost exactly what happened to the friend of mine I mentioned
below.  He was renting a home.  When he hooked up his tv the cable signal
was still working.  The local cable company failed to disconnect the coax
from the line at the street when the previous users vacated/switched off
service.  He used the service for over a year and then was hit with a
summons for cable theft.  He got himself a good expensive lawyer and
challenged it.  The cable company refused to let it drop so it went to
court.  When it was all said and done my friend was not charged and the
judge found the cable company was negligent by not disconnecting their
equipment.  My friend was awarded full lawyers fees.  So instead of letting
drop a $600.00 cable bill they ended up paying much more in legal expenses.
This was one judge in one city.  Someone else might have a different
outcome.




Re: basic cable free with comcast internet?
Thankyou!!  that was my understanding of the law.


> This is almost exactly what happened to the friend of mine I mentioned
> below.  He was renting a home.  When he hooked up his tv the cable signal
> was still working.  The local cable company failed to disconnect the coax
> from the line at the street when the previous users vacated/switched off
> service.  He used the service for over a year and then was hit with a
> summons for cable theft.  He got himself a good expensive lawyer and
> challenged it.  The cable company refused to let it drop so it went to
> court.  When it was all said and done my friend was not charged and the
> judge found the cable company was negligent by not disconnecting their
> equipment.  My friend was awarded full lawyers fees.  So instead of
letting
> drop a $600.00 cable bill they ended up paying much more in legal
expenses.
> This was one judge in one city.  Someone else might have a different
> outcome.
>
>




Re: basic cable free with comcast internet?
Any cable compatible TV (which 99.9% of them are), will be able to get
channels 2 to 75.
so you may still have to pay for "Basic" cable TV from Comcast.
Otherwise they might put a filter on your line to block all TV channels.



> I've had comcast digital cable & internet for a year now, and I really
love
> the fast internet service, but i don't really watch enough tv to want to
pay
> for hbo and the other channels anymore.  I just want clear local channels
to
> watch news and sports occasionally.
>
> If I cancel my digital cable but keep my internet with comcast, will the
> local channels still come through without the motorola set top box?
>
>




Re: basic cable free with comcast internet?
> I've had comcast digital cable & internet for a year now, and I really
love
> the fast internet service, but i don't really watch enough tv to want to
pay
> for hbo and the other channels anymore.  I just want clear local channels
to
> watch news and sports occasionally.
>
> If I cancel my digital cable but keep my internet with comcast, will the
> local channels still come through without the motorola set top box?

I my market, "Digital Cable" and HBO are extra costs above and beyond "basic
cable."  If your market is run the same way, you can drop digital cable and
the premium channels, return the box, and still get 30 to 80 channels on any
cable ready TV.  Of course, you'll still have to pay for basic cable, but it
will be cheaper than the package you have today.

To find out what you can get and how much it will cost, call Comcast and
ask.

-Gary




Re: basic cable free with comcast internet?

> > I've had comcast digital cable & internet for a year now, and I really
> love
> > the fast internet service, but i don't really watch enough tv to want to
> pay
> > for hbo and the other channels anymore.  I just want clear local
channels
> to
> > watch news and sports occasionally.
> >
> > If I cancel my digital cable but keep my internet with comcast, will the
> > local channels still come through without the motorola set top box?
>
> I my market, "Digital Cable" and HBO are extra costs above and beyond
"basic
> cable."  If your market is run the same way, you can drop digital cable
and
> the premium channels, return the box, and still get 30 to 80 channels on
any
> cable ready TV.  Of course, you'll still have to pay for basic cable, but
it
> will be cheaper than the package you have today.
>
> To find out what you can get and how much it will cost, call Comcast and
> ask.
>
> -Gary
>

Basic cable rates are negotiated with the local cable authority that issues
the franchise (government). Keeping this rate low makes both the politicians
and the cable company look good. So they are likely to be very inexpensive
compared to digital cable, premium packages, or HDTV.

Basic cable plus high speed internet is about the same price as high speed
internet only.

--
Basic Bob
gbasigcbobg@gatt.gnet
the g's are silent








Re: basic cable free with comcast internet?
I think with the prices running close to the same, then perhaps it really
might not be theft for someone to get high speed internet service only and
then enjoy the benefits of basic cable tv service.  I think that is the
reasoning behind the prices in the first place!  Just a thought anyway.




Re: basic cable free with comcast internet?

>I think with the prices running close to the same, then perhaps it really
>might not be theft for someone to get high speed internet service only and
>then enjoy the benefits of basic cable tv service.  I think that is the
>reasoning behind the prices in the first place!  Just a thought anyway.

Nice try, but not good enough. It's theft if you haven't signed up for
it, plain and simple.

--
Bill


Re: basic cable free with comcast internet?
Well not necessarily but I won't argue with you.  I have some personal
experience with a theft of service charge.  There are some circumstances
where getting free cable, although considered theft, you might still not be
liable.  I have an aquaintance that was charged and ended up in court.  The
cable company lost and had to paid all lawyer fees.  Some cases are not so
clear cut.




Re: basic cable free with comcast internet?
Oh and if I'm not mistaken it is the cable companies responsibility to block
the signal to your tv.  If you order highspeed internet only and can still
get a tv signal on your tv, then shame on them for not blocking it.  As has
been said by others sometimes the cable companies just let it slide anyway.
I'm not sure what my local cable company does here since I pay for more than
basic cable anyway.  Before I movd to my present location I lived in a Cox
serviced area.  My neighbor was a Cox technician.  He said many people did
that very thing but he didn't care as did many other service techs.
I do agree that theft is theft.




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