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Posted by on April 19, 2007, 7:20 pm
Please log in for more thread options Me friend and I are interested in starting a custom cable ( TV ) company, just simple in home custom installs. Does anyone know if this is possible? Are there laws or rules in place by the cable companies that will not allow this. Is there a way to do it with them but not work for them on their appts. Maybe give them a percent, or some legal papers so they don't think the customer is stealing form them, even though we all know it is out ther everywhere. Is anyone doing this already..... Thank you for any information.. Dominic | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Posted by Eric on April 21, 2007, 10:34 am
Please log in for more thread options On Apr 19, 5:20 pm, demie...@yahoo.com wrote: You are not permitted to go beyond the ground block (also known as the demarcation point). The cable company "owns" the drop going to the house. Other than that, knock yourself out. Just keep in mind that you become responsible for the inside wiring, and if it is not up to cable company standards, they can and will disconnect it (or at least blame you for any and all problems the customer may have). If you want to become a contractor for the cable company, that's a different story. You'll need lots of insurance, specific tools, and a high tolerance for being treated like scum. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Posted by on April 21, 2007, 11:44 am
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> On Apr 19, 5:20 pm, demie...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > Me friend and I are interested in starting a custom cable ( TV )
> > company, just simple in home custom installs. > > Does anyone know if this is possible? Are there laws or rules in place > > by the cable companies that will not allow this. > > Is there a way to do it with them but not work for them on their > > appts. > > Maybe give them a percent, or some legal papers so they don't think > > the customer is stealing form them, even though we all know it is out > > ther everywhere. >
> > Is anyone doing this already.....
>
> > Thank you for any information..
>
> > Dominic
>
> You are not permitted to go beyond the ground block (also known as the > demarcation point). The cable company "owns" the drop going to the > house. Other than that, knock yourself out. Just keep in mind that you > become responsible for the inside wiring, and if it is not up to cable > company standards, they can and will disconnect it (or at least blame > you for any and all problems the customer may have). > > If you want to become a contractor for the cable company, that's a > different story. You'll need lots of insurance, specific tools, and a > high tolerance for being treated like scum. Do you mean from the ground block up to pole or down to tap... I'm assuming..? you can work from the ground block inward right without any problems?? Also, do you know if there is something differnt you need to know when working on Boats or Yachts' ? I did a small job on a Yacht, that was behind the owners house, ( just a relocate ) but I not up on what would be needed to work on custom jobs on Yachts....any Info? Thanks again for your input; and I was thinking of doing something with a lawyer, that would state and be signed by the customer that they must contact the local cable company to activate this custom line. This would hopefully free me from any problems with the Carries. Dominic | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Posted by Eric on April 25, 2007, 12:26 am
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On Apr 21, 9:44 am, demie...@yahoo.com wrote: >
> > > > On Apr 19, 5:20 pm, demie...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > > Me friend and I are interested in starting a custom cable ( TV )
> > > company, just simple in home custom installs. > > > Does anyone know if this is possible? Are there laws or rules in place > > > by the cable companies that will not allow this. > > > Is there a way to do it with them but not work for them on their > > > appts. > > > Maybe give them a percent, or some legal papers so they don't think > > > the customer is stealing form them, even though we all know it is out > > > ther everywhere. >
> > > Is anyone doing this already.....
>
> > > Thank you for any information..
>
> > > Dominic
>
> > You are not permitted to go beyond the ground block (also known as the
> > demarcation point). The cable company "owns" the drop going to the > > house. Other than that, knock yourself out. Just keep in mind that you > > become responsible for the inside wiring, and if it is not up to cable > > company standards, they can and will disconnect it (or at least blame > > you for any and all problems the customer may have). >
> > If you want to become a contractor for the cable company, that's a
> > different story. You'll need lots of insurance, specific tools, and a > > high tolerance for being treated like scum. >
> Do you mean from the ground block up to pole or down to tap... I'm > assuming..? > you can work from the ground block inward right without any problems?? > Also, do you know if there is something differnt you need to know when > working on Boats or Yachts' ? I did a small job on a Yacht, that was > behind the owners house, ( just a relocate ) but I not up on what > would be needed to work on custom jobs on Yachts....any Info? > > Thanks again for your input; and I was thinking of doing something > with a lawyer, that would state and be signed by the customer that > they must contact the local cable company to activate this custom > line. This would hopefully free me from any problems with the Carries. > > Dominic Wow. Opened up a can of worms with this one... The cable company (and the phone company), is responsible for connecting your house to the distribution system. There is a clearly defined demarcation point where the company's responsibility ends and the customer's responsibility begins (this is also true to a point in electrical systems, although most power companies make the home electrician run all the drop cable). In the case of cable tv, the demarc is usually the ground block. However, most cable companies use an interface box (sometimes called a SDU or NIU) as the demarc. Where I used to work, there was a court case that decided the demarc was 1 ft outside the SDU or the ground block, if no SDU was installed. However, this was for a very specific reason I don't really want to get into right now, and was hardly precedent setting. That being said, there is a constant struggle between the "customer friendly" factions and the "stick to the rules" factions in most cable companies. The technician is to do whatever is necessary to get the customer up and running, unless the problem is wiring that "can't be replaced" by the tech, at which time he is to inform the customer that the problem is inside there house and they should contact an electrician to replace the bad wire. However, this almost never happens, since the electrician will want big bucks, or in the case of a builder, will get into a pissing contest with the cable company about his crappy cable being "just fine" and that technician is "full of shit*" and handing the customer a "big bill" for "wasting their time." This causes a trip to the office, equipment in hand, and a lot of bad feelings. If a supervisor is available, they have a little chat with the customer, roll another truck, and most likely the next tech will run another line, or do a better job of documenting the problems with the bad line. Trust me, it is almost always better to just run a new cable if there's any way to make it happen. That way the customer is at least able to get service, and they can deal with the builder without having to get us involved. So, if you haven't been discouraged by all the scary stuff in this thread, go for it. I've thought of doing custom low voltage stuff for years, but never had the stones to strike out on my own. Besides, I like being able to play with all the big toys (and get free cable). As far as the yacht, I would think as long as you followed NEC guidelines for grounding shore power, it shouldn't be a big deal (although cable only comes in 1000 ft rolls... sorry. I couldn't help it). Eric Eric *technical term | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Posted by Whomever on April 21, 2007, 1:04 pm
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I'm not so sure that's true of all providers. Here in Tampa Bright House is responsible for all the wiring, all the way to the attachment to the modem or tv. They ran the cable for me from the pole to the junction on the house and then up thru the attic, down the wall and to the cable modem. > On Apr 19, 5:20 pm, demie...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> Me friend and I are interested in starting a custom cable ( TV )
>> company, just simple in home custom installs. >> Does anyone know if this is possible? Are there laws or rules in place >> by the cable companies that will not allow this. >> Is there a way to do it with them but not work for them on their >> appts. >> Maybe give them a percent, or some legal papers so they don't think >> the customer is stealing form them, even though we all know it is out >> ther everywhere. >> >> Is anyone doing this already..... >> >> Thank you for any information.. >> >> Dominic >
> You are not permitted to go beyond the ground block (also known as the > demarcation point). The cable company "owns" the drop going to the > house. Other than that, knock yourself out. Just keep in mind that you > become responsible for the inside wiring, and if it is not up to cable > company standards, they can and will disconnect it (or at least blame > you for any and all problems the customer may have). > > If you want to become a contractor for the cable company, that's a > different story. You'll need lots of insurance, specific tools, and a > high tolerance for being treated like scum. > | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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> company, just simple in home custom installs.
> Does anyone know if this is possible? Are there laws or rules in place
> by the cable companies that will not allow this.
> Is there a way to do it with them but not work for them on their
> appts.
> Maybe give them a percent, or some legal papers so they don't think
> the customer is stealing form them, even though we all know it is out
> ther everywhere.
>
> Is anyone doing this already.....
>
> Thank you for any information..
>
> Dominic