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Hack RF into remotes? wkearney99 11-12-04
Posted by wkearney99 on November 12, 2004, 2:22 pm
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The archives don't seem to be turning up pages for this.

What hacks exist to allow other IR remotes to send RF to things like the
base station Radio Shack uses on things like their 8-in-1 remotes (15-2117)?
It'd be handy to be able to send signals through this base station and I'd
be willing to hack up a remote or two to do it. I ask for several reasons,
one is that RS has discontinued this product so it's hard to get spares.
The other being it'd be nice to use some other gadets to push the signals
(if at all possible).

Alternatively I've got an X10 MouseRemote receiver if it's a matter of using
something different RF-wise.

Is it possible and who's got links?

-Bill Kearney




Posted by Dave Houston on November 12, 2004, 9:13 pm
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I'm not familiar with this specific model but most of these merely repeat
all 418MHz signals as IR.

The FCC ID number on the remote or base station can be used to verify that
it uses 418MHz. If it does, the most recent versions of the Pronto and
Marantz remotes and several models of the Home Theater Master remotes can
send 418MHz RF.


>The archives don't seem to be turning up pages for this.
>
>What hacks exist to allow other IR remotes to send RF to things like the
>base station Radio Shack uses on things like their 8-in-1 remotes (15-2117)?
>It'd be handy to be able to send signals through this base station and I'd
>be willing to hack up a remote or two to do it. I ask for several reasons,
>one is that RS has discontinued this product so it's hard to get spares.
>The other being it'd be nice to use some other gadets to push the signals
>(if at all possible).
>
>Alternatively I've got an X10 MouseRemote receiver if it's a matter of using
>something different RF-wise.
>
>Is it possible and who's got links?
>
>-Bill Kearney
>




Posted by wkearney99 on November 13, 2004, 7:44 pm
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> I'm not familiar with this specific model but most of these merely repeat
> all 418MHz signals as IR.
>
> The FCC ID number on the remote or base station can be used to verify that
> it uses 418MHz. If it does, the most recent versions of the Pronto and
> Marantz remotes and several models of the Home Theater Master remotes can
> send 418MHz RF.

Thanks Dave, that helps. The FCC ID on the remote is AA01502117. I'd
search for it on fcc's site but it appears be offline (or too busy to
answer).

Hope your health is well and thanks again.

-Bill Kearney



Posted by Dave Houston on November 14, 2004, 4:26 am
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>> I'm not familiar with this specific model but most of these merely repeat
>> all 418MHz signals as IR.
>>
>> The FCC ID number on the remote or base station can be used to verify that
>> it uses 418MHz. If it does, the most recent versions of the Pronto and
>> Marantz remotes and several models of the Home Theater Master remotes can
>> send 418MHz RF.
>
>Thanks Dave, that helps. The FCC ID on the remote is AA01502117. I'd
>search for it on fcc's site but it appears be offline (or too busy to
>answer).

It's fairly simple to add RF to most IR remotes. The 4-pin RF transmitter
modules shown at http://www.mbx-usa.com/modules.htm need +5V, GND & DATA.
The IR signal is usually sufficient although range is less than optimal
because the RF transmitter is operating at the IR carrier duty cycle. The
transmitter turn on/off time is less than 1 µs and the pulses in a 40kHz IR
carrier are ~12.5µs at 50% duty cycle. You can filter the carrier but that
will usually reduce the amplitude and you'll need to amplify it to trigger
the RF transmitter. The upper portion of the circuit shown at
http://www.mbx-usa.com/ocelot2rf.htm will work for this. Most RF receivers
will not turn off so fast so they will output the DATA signal w/o the 40kHz
pulses.



Posted by wkearney99 on December 15, 2004, 11:07 pm
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Curious, I also looked up the Hughes remote I have for a DirecTV receiver
( OZ5HNS1026824 ). Apparently it uses 418 Mhz, which is what the Pronto
units use as well, isn't it? I wonder what sort of signal it's 'shark fin'
antenna puts out? The schematic for which is:
https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=103912&native_or_pdf=pdf

There are 18 (out of over 400) 418MHz devices from X10. With part numbers
beginning with B4S. Don't know what they are.

So it would seem the devices I've got are all on 430MHz.



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