Home Automation HELP Please - Need Audio Distribution to Televisions

We installed an audio/video distribution system (Crestron) in our home.
Behind each TV we have a set of wires that includes RGBWY, and 2 coax lines.
In addition, we have 2 wires to support IR and future backup. Each TV has an
IR to control one of the 3 Tivo's that is located in the basement.  We also
have ceiling speakers in each room that are controlled by either a volume
control or keypad.

We are in the final phases of this implementation and just discovered 2
major issues:
1)  The audio distribution is ONLY to the speakers in the ceiling and NOT
the TV as well.  Therefore, we'll have to listen to the TV audio via the
ceiling speakers.
2.) Since the TV audio is only distributed to the ceiling speakers, the
audio volume will need to be controlled via the volume control or keypad.

We expected the audio from the TV where the volume could be controlled via
the Tivo remotes.  The ceiling audio was not envisioned as the primary TV
audio and therefore we didn't plan for ceiling speaker remotes.

We are being told that we can get sound from our TV's but it will cost 15K
using ML-500 remotes, gateways and other equipment.

Does anyone have any other solutions that can help get sound to our  TV's
and control it via Tivo remotes without additional wiring?

The equipment that is being installed is:

2 - Crestron Channel Audio Amplifiers CNAPMX-16x60
2 - Audio Distribution Processors(8 room) - CNX-PAD8A
2 Video Distribution Switch CNX-PVID8X3
1 Control Processor   CP2E
3 Types of TV's - Component (RGB), Composite (YRW), Coax

Sorry for the long post.  Thanks in advance,

Dee


 

What might be possible is to have the Tivo remotes, or cheap replacement
universal learning remotes, send the right IR codes through to the Crestron
to make it simple.  That way the remote would send the various Tivo-related
IR commands in Tivo format but the volume control in what the Crestron
understands.  Most universal remotes can selectively program and/or learn
commands to do this sort of thing.

That is, if the IR sensor network can pick up the IR and feed them to the
system controlling the ceiling speakers.  It seems like a pretty reasonable
assumption.

What probably /won't/ work is to use the plain Tivo peanut remotes.  I don't
think the built-in codes for volume control understand how to speak
Crestron.  But someone from Crestron could probably better answer this (and
not someone from Tivo).

The other alternative(s) might be to feed line-level audio (over new wires
probably) to the audio inputs on the TVs or to watch them on RF channels.

That is, if the Crestron can supply a line-level audio signal when it
switches the sources then that signal could be fed to the TVs.  Then the
TV's own amp and speakers would handle watching it.  This might be good for
times when you only want the limited sound that comes from the TV instead of
the 'whole room' effect ceiling speakers gives.  As in, late at night when
using the ceiling speakers would wake everyone else in the house.

Or if take signals from the Tivos directly and feed them both to the
Crestron and also to a quad RF modulator.  Then feed RF coax to the TVs and
watch the programs on an RF channel.  I do this here.  Just with a
DirecTivo, a regular DirecTV tuner, a DVD and the video output from the home
threatre PC.

In the main theatre room I feed the TV with an s-video signal and audio to a
home theatre surround sound speaker setup.  I also feed the signals to a
Channel Plus modulator and then to the TV over RF coax.  I can either watch
TV using the better quality s-video picture and the full effect surround
sound speakers or I can just tune to the RF channel and listen on the TV's
built-in speakers.  For a lot of watching it's actually easier to just use
the TV instead of firing up the surround sound stuff.  That and the RF
signal goes to other rooms so I can watch each device on it's own RF
channel.  I use radio remotes to send the signals back to the equipment
instead of an IR network.  These RF remotes are sometimes less effective
than what an IR network might pickup.  It varies based on construction
material and RF noise, YMMV.

Note for RF distribution I'm suggesting you pull the video from the Tivo's
BEFORE it's fed into the Crestron.  This way the Tivo's are always on the
same RF channel (one per Tivo) instead of being switched around.  It's
six-of-one/half-dozen of the other.  You either feed the Tivo's each onto
channel and switch the TV to watch the right one OR you always feed a given
TV on a given RF channel and feed the Crestron switched signal into that
channel.

As in the Tivo's are on channels 15,20,25,30.  Any TV can watch any Tivo
simply by flipping from video to RF and switching to the appropriate
channel; no interaction with the Crestron required.  Or the Crestron outputs
for each TV are fed intothe modulator on channels 15,20,25,30 (pick your
own) and each TV stays tuned to it's own channel.  That way you'd have use
the Crestron to control the source selection but you'd only have to flip the
TV from video to RF input and not go the extra step of changing a channel on
the TV.  Any other TV could also watch the same signal merely by changing
the RF channel.

It might be more cost effective to consider the RF distribution route.
Sure, the picture quality is less than direct video but it'll certainly cost
a lot less than $15k.

-Bill Kearney

in your equipment list I don't see any sort of Creston remote, or ir
adaptor.  I am curious as to who specked the equipment, and designed the
system.



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Probably some salesman wearing a lapel pin with the word "Enginere" (sic)
printed on it.  :^)

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Regards,
Robert L Bass

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Hi Dee,

Have the Crestron dealer install autoformer volume controls to bring the
audio signal down to line level.  Wire the output to the line level audio
inputs on the back of the TV set.  Problem solved.

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Regards,
Robert L Bass

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Bass Home Electronics
2291 Pine View Circle
Sarasota � Florida � 34231
877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
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