CBUS Automation Installation - FF main wiring completed
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Posted by Michael Farragher on January 5, 2005, 5:52 am
Please log in for more thread options I am in the middle of a self build house and have all the electrical wiring fitted but no wall plates purchased yet however I am interested in the Automation. A lot of people seem to be into the X10 and I thought of it myself for a while until I read somewhere that this new CBUS system was better. The wiring is now already running to the walls and sockets and the plastering of the walls and cellings is ongoing. For the CBUS to work correctly should the mains have being going to one main hub rather than each room switches and only the CAT5 to the rooms themselves. If thats the case then I afraid I have to throw the idea out of my head as a lot of work has gone in it like a tube station with all the cables running around my attic -). As I have already got the metal boxes on the walls can the CBUS switch wall plates fit over them. (I'm located in Ireland so UK Horizontal Standard wall plates needed). Will the one mains relay do all of the sockets or would more be better ? Each power socket is a double socket and some switches have 4 switches eg at back door for lights. I haven't examined the details two much as to how much it would cost me but the costs would worry me a bit as one could spend a lot between switches and sockets etc. I have 3 double sockets in each room of the 4 bedrooms 5 in the study 2 in the sitting room 4 in the living room, about 4 in the utility, 2 in the hallway and approx 5 in the kitchen. There's also going to be 4 in the attic in each corner but theres probably may not be needed for the time been. Thats over 30 odd sockets if I cover everything. The voltage relays can be seen here which one is better or worse if I had to get a lot of them it could be pricy !! http://www.cbus-shop.com/index.php?cPath=26 If I could get a list of the basic items to start off with it would be great or some good links. Thanks very much Michael | |||||||||||||
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Posted by AJL on January 5, 2005, 1:55 pm
Please log in for more thread options it to a home automation system. It works a treat - X-10 is not a very reliable system and while my home automation also supports it and I use it for the odd table lamp, CBUS is vastly superior. Of course CBUS uses cat-5 cable for control and has a lwish data rate so star and parallel wiring for control work as long as no one segment is over a 1000 metres in length. Clipsal have just released a CBUS compatible wireless system for use in house which are already conventionally cabled and it is not practical to get a control cable to each face plate. I will write to your email with my email address if you have any other queries, Regards Drew Hi all, I am in the middle of a self build house and have all the electrical wiring fitted but no wall plates purchased yet however I am interested in the Automation. A lot of people seem to be into the X10 and I thought of it myself for a while until I read somewhere that this new CBUS system was better. The wiring is now already running to the walls and sockets and the plastering of the walls and cellings is ongoing. For the CBUS to work correctly should the mains have being going to one main hub rather than each room switches and only the CAT5 to the rooms themselves. If thats the case then I afraid I have to throw the idea out of my head as a lot of work has gone in it like a tube station with all the cables running around my attic -). As I have already got the metal boxes on the walls can the CBUS switch wall plates fit over them. (I'm located in Ireland so UK Horizontal Standard wall plates needed). Will the one mains relay do all of the sockets or would more be better ? Each power socket is a double socket and some switches have 4 switches eg at back door for lights. I haven't examined the details two much as to how much it would cost me but the costs would worry me a bit as one could spend a lot between switches and sockets etc. I have 3 double sockets in each room of the 4 bedrooms 5 in the study 2 in the sitting room 4 in the living room, about 4 in the utility, 2 in the hallway and approx 5 in the kitchen. There's also going to be 4 in the attic in each corner but theres probably may not be needed for the time been. Thats over 30 odd sockets if I cover everything. The voltage relays can be seen here which one is better or worse if I had to get a lot of them it could be pricy !! http://www.cbus-shop.com/index.php?cPath=26 If I could get a list of the basic items to start off with it would be great or some good links. Thanks very much Michael | |||||||||||||
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Posted by Michael Farragher on January 5, 2005, 4:55 pm
Please log in for more thread options At the moment there is no wall plates on the sockets or switches just mains
cable. I think I could run the CAT5 in the majority of places down the same conduits on the walls as the power cables are currently running to the rooms. Does one have to get these special switch sockets or is there a cheaper alternative. What the make up of the inside of these switches. I don't suppose the there is AC contacts and then CBUS contacts for each switch (say if you had 4 switches 16 contacts). If I had known sooner would it have been better or the proper way if all the AC wires were going to one place and the CAT5 CBUS coming from there to the rooms. Regards, Michael | |||||||||||||
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Posted by wkearney99 on January 5, 2005, 4:08 pm
Please log in for more thread options > At the moment there is no wall plates on the sockets or switches just
mains
> cable. I think I could run the CAT5 in the majority of places down the
same
> conduits on the walls as the power cables are currently running to the
> rooms. BE VERY SURE about whether your local building codes allow putting low voltage down the same conduit as AC supply. Most don't. Nor do they allow placement of low voltage devices in the same box as AC devices (without separation). > If I had known sooner would it have been better or the proper way if all
the
> AC wires were going to one place and the CAT5 CBUS coming from there to
the
> rooms.
Heh, don't we all wish we knew enough ahead of time for this. Trouble is you end up with a HUGE amount of wire being pulled back a central location. At a cost much greater than most situations can justify. And also presenting a big physical installation problem. Pulling all that wire to a panel greatly increases the required space for the panel and all that wire. It's really a tough set of compromises isn't it? -Bill Kearney | |||||||||||||
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Posted by Lurch on January 5, 2005, 10:41 pm
Please log in for more thread options On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 13:55:34 -0000, "Michael Farragher"
>At the moment there is no wall plates on the sockets or switches just mains
>cable. I think I could run the CAT5 in the majority of places down the same >conduits on the walls as the power cables are currently running to the >rooms. I would never run signalcommunications cable next to mains. I can assure it causes inteferenc problems. If you're going to install cat5 cables throughout the house then make sure that the cat5 is at least 50mm from mains cables through out. -- SJW Please reply to group or use 'usenet' in email subject | |||||||||||||
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> interfacing
> it to a home automation system. It works a treat - X-10 is not a very
> reliable system and while my home automation also supports it and I use it
> for the odd table lamp, CBUS is vastly superior. Of course CBUS uses
> cat-5
> cable for control and has a lwish data rate so star and parallel wiring
> for
> control work as long as no one segment is over a 1000 metres in length.
> Clipsal have just released a CBUS compatible wireless system for use in
> house which are already conventionally cabled and it is not practical to
> get
> a control cable to each face plate. I will write to your email with my
> email address if you have any other queries,
> Regards
>
> Drew
>
> Hi all,
>
> I am in the middle of a self build house and have all the electrical
> wiring
> fitted but no wall plates purchased yet however I am interested in the
> Automation.
>
> A lot of people seem to be into the X10 and I thought of it myself for a
> while until I read somewhere that this new CBUS system was better.
>
> The wiring is now already running to the walls and sockets and the
> plastering of the walls and cellings is ongoing.
>
> For the CBUS to work correctly should the mains have being going to one
> main
> hub rather than each room switches and only the CAT5 to the rooms
> themselves. If thats the case then I afraid I have to throw the idea out
> of
> my head as a lot of work has gone in it like a tube station with all the
> cables running around my attic -).
>
> As I have already got the metal boxes on the walls can the CBUS switch
> wall
> plates fit over them. (I'm located in Ireland so UK Horizontal Standard
> wall
> plates needed).
>
> Will the one mains relay do all of the sockets or would more be better ?
>
> Each power socket is a double socket and some switches have 4 switches eg
> at
> back door for lights.
>
> I haven't examined the details two much as to how much it would cost me
> but
> the costs would worry me a bit as one could spend a lot between switches
> and
> sockets etc.
> I have 3 double sockets in each room of the 4 bedrooms 5 in the study 2 in
> the sitting room 4 in the living room, about 4 in the utility, 2 in the
> hallway and approx 5 in the kitchen. There's also going to be 4 in the
> attic
> in each corner but theres probably may not be needed for the time been.
> Thats over 30 odd sockets if I cover everything.
>
> The voltage relays can be seen here which one is better or worse if I had
> to
> get a lot of them it could be pricy !!
> http://www.cbus-shop.com/index.php?cPath=26
>
> If I could get a list of the basic items to start off with it would be
> great
> or some good links.
>
> Thanks very much
>
> Michael
>
>
>